Teach, don't bite

Agreed.

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What is remembered, is what is considered the "negative". And frankly, that's a no win situation.

If you tell someone the truth, you're mean.
If you tell someone to try something else, you're mean.
If you tell someone to try harder and push themselves, you're mean.

Furthermore you stay here in hopes that people will better their paths and spiritual growth!! Don't make me laugh , you go on about spiritual growth right.. yet spiritual growth is tolerating others and unconditional love!! please explain where was yours when you lost your modship ??? then continued a hate campaign against another former mod Leffe to get him removed by fabricating false evidence.. not very spiritual inspired now is it ?? Try to go on has if you are all nice and helpful when really your a sad pathetic twisted bitter person ..yeah I went there and what !!!

You seem pretty hateful yourself, Sorrow.

But I think we are forgeting about the one out of ten fluffies that may choose to follow their magick path (as someone stated earlier). The first time be kind, and if they refuse your knowledge, be more harsh.

Sorrows, it is rather clear you have long ago deviated from the point of this post.

We will go with your example, where spiritual awareness is the search for unconditional love. In unconditional love, we then seek to do no harm. That does not mean that harm does not occur... Ask any parent and child who undoubtedly possess unconditional love for one another. Mistakes happen.

However, to possess no desire to do harm does not mean that it is not sometimes necessary to take a stand. And if in taking a stand, some bull-headed individual charges right into and gets hurt in the process? Ah, well, that does not mean that love is harbored to any lesser extent. Nor does it mean that when a parent scolds a child for doing something wrong do they love their child any less. This, Sorrows, is unconditional love - Speaking sternly when one must, or otherwise "playing the bad guy" so that an individual might be steered in a course that benefits them further.

If unconditional love required only telling an individual what they wished to hear, only giving them what they wanted, and otherwise only being pleasant and nice... Well, that would make it quite conditional, would it not?

Also, at an earlier argument, we often see the debate of "Well, it might yet be achieved!" or "Well, it's possible... even if it isn't very likely, somebody might achieve this!"

Now, I will apply those arguments to a scenario we can all agree is insane:

A baby is born with feathers, a beak, and an incredible thirst for world domination. Fueling his hunger with human intellect and science, he grew up to lead the world's population of chickens in glorious, fiery, thermo-nuclear revolt.

Now, in that absurd little illustration I think you can see why this argument is so completely discredited.

This scenario hasn't happened yet, so maybe somebody could actually achieve it?

It's not very likely, but is it possible?

Technically you can answer yes to both of those questions, but in saying yes to those two questions, when applied to that little story, any person with sense will feel quite absurd and generally feel foolish for saying that it can be achieved or that it is possible.

Applying these arguments to hypothetical magic is just as backward, and usually the result of no attempt to actually study, understand, or otherwise experience... The individuals arguing "everything is possible" generally just long for their wildest dreams to come true, and feel that this should be enough for it to manifest.

Now, when we respond with logic, experience, and a rather substantial education within the subject manner the typical response is a more detailed version of: "Nuh uh, you're just close minded."

Ah yes. May the great chicken lord reign supreme then.

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But usually when we reply harsh, that also gets the same effect as "'Nu uh, you're just closed minded'".

This thread seems to have turned into a fight between the young and elder, almost like the scenario Zebrah stated earlier. We should work on comprimising, not fighting.

"Ah yes. May the great chicken lord reign supreme then"

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