UK Church of Satan

You have every right to believe what you want, this site doesn't prevent that, however that being said...

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I am fairly certain calling someone else's religion bunk and insulting their said religion based on the origins of it fall into "causing distress [and] inconvenience to any person, [and] transmitting...offensive content" as well as being uncivil and in poor taste, disruptive and offensive. As for abusive I would call what I have seen of your actions in forums in the past this as well.

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I post this only out of what I feel is a need to make clear something I have seen being allowed to spiral out of control, and in no way do I mean this thread.

Well why don't you request that I be removed from this site? Then you can all sing nicely around the campfire without anyone disagreeing with anything, a perfect society. The first victory of your new religion.

Well rilke you have shown immense immaturity because it is something that does not go along with your ideas or beliefs.

I have seen you many at time before jump on others post's belittle them even to the extent of foul and abusive language, yet you have the blatant cheek to claim satanism is followed by young wanna be kids lol.

Oh you have worked with many a big shot's in the magical community and claim to have known Levey himself or friends of yours did... where's your proof to back up such a claim ?
Because I highly doubt you have ever even spoke to Levey but it's easy to claim you have when the man is not here to defend your absurd claims...But I will claim to know Levey's daughter who is a member of our face book group and the fact that my hubby has actually spoken to Michael A Aquino the founder of the temple of set..

Has for getting a Scientologist to join our site my hubby has a fantastic knowledge of science and astrology and did actually study the links between science and magick.

Furthermore this thread was for our sites advertisement not to be bashed by some closed minded ( insert word here) who can't see past his own nose on other peoples practices and beliefs.

So what is magick to you the use of energy and some devine intervention to attain your desires , well we do not need to look or focus on devine intervention to attain our desires because focus a clear mind and reality are all one needs without the drive or desire for something it is never going to become apparent. Furthermore I will not reply to any of your replies again because I have no desire to fuel your pestilence.

ok she ra don't reply, I never said I knew Anton, but I did know someone who met him in California, and they liked him. I probably would have liked him also. I just don't believe that what he started is a serious Religion, more importantly I don't think he did either.But ok, someone did say that religions often evolve, that is true, almost all of them change as they grow. I have said on two posts today, Go start your Church, have fun, and then the attacks come ( I guess because you can tell I don't have any respect for this church ) but instead of anyone trying to convince me that I could be wrong, that Antons Church has evolved, that Darkermasters version of Satanism is different today, you instead attack Gardner, Brysing, Me, saying that I am foul mouthed,and on and on and on. I will tell you a truth whether you believe it or not, if your going to start a Church anywhere, you are going to have to be able to convince people about the righteousness of your Religion, not attack them, not ignore them, not try to have them removed from your sight (site)I think people have had enough of this whole argument, but if anyone wants to mail me and debate this further I would welcome the opportunity.

rilke, why are you even posting on this topic?
You seem to be just trying to raise an issue over nothing.
If you are that bored maybe you should find some other outlet to entertain yourself.

rilke, you who say everyone is entitled to opinions, a grown man, want people to baby you, hold your hand and prove to you why this path is not a crock? Would you like these answers on a silver platter while at it? To quote you " Now regarding this church and Satanism, since we are all defending the right to do whatever you want, how about my right to call this whole Satanism thing a complete and utter sham, started by a trickster and a con artist,who admitted that he was doing it for a lark."
But you have the nerve to be upset that Gardners name was "attacked".

You had no problem attacking (insulting), Anton, She_Ra, Darker, and anyone who follows this system of theory by calling it a sham, saying only kids follow it, implying that these members who are advertising are out to make a buck...so why are you now throwing a pity party because someone said something you don't like about yourself and Gardner?

Funny how it can be dished out, but not taken.

If you want to know more about Satanism, learn it on your own. Take some initiative, pick up a book and read. Do not expect people here to defend their way of life because you in all your glory decided to expect the information to be handed to you.

ok, I tried to end this debate publically, but if you don't want to let it go, then so be it. Throughout this whole debate I said that Anton and his church was a sham, he actually said that himself. I said I did not believe or respect Satanism, I also said I would probably like Anton Levey. And... throughout this whole debate I NEVER insulted anyone personally, Gardner was called a thief, Brysing was called uneducated, I was called pestilence. Maybe you folks who are so concerned about fairness, and civility should recheck the threads and see just WHO is insulting WHO. Look.. I asked that this debate continue in private since I did not think people wanted to read He said, She said,but believe me I am not afraid to dish out anything, I always fight for my beliefs, but I do not do so by attacking people personally. I don't know Darkermaster, I never mentioned his name once until the end, and it was not an attack. I asked that his people should try to convince me that I may be wrong, that Anton's religion has evolved, that Darkermasters version may be something different then what I know about Satanism. So far nothing, not in private or publically, just more attacks.

I am not a Satanist, I am not a Gardnerian or Alexanderian Wiccan, and I am not a Christian. I will not wish you wonderous passage to a heaven that only exists in a book that didn't exist to the people until 1611 ad when King James commanded it, nor will I condemn you to a hell that doesn't exist except here around us.

Last time I looked up this thread was posted in the "Advertisements" forum. Not debate club, Magickal Philosophies 101, or even a discussion board. Darkermaster while following the terms of use of this site, and in accordance with the rules set forth by Pet himself posted an advertisement. We are not here to debate the existence of Satanism, morally or legally as it already exists. It has been followed and practiced for a many of years before anyone started posting their opinions here. So has Christianity, Wicca, Catholicism, and Magick as a whole.

90% of the people who come here to SOM, whether long time practitioners or children come here seeking truth in THEIR paths and beliefs, & also for religious tolerance. This site is ran by real practitioners for real practitioners. We do not sugar coat or censor what your children are allowed to see here, that is a parental issue not SOM's. If you are uncomfortable with what your children may find here, then as a responsible parent why are you here contributing to it?

Brysing I liked you since you got here, you had your head on straight and a good view of everything as a whole. But somewhere in all these threads you lost it. Someone once told me "seek to understand the scheme of things, then have an opinion on it."

Rilke you crack me up, you have this beautifully typed up profile here on SOM that makes you appear to be so wise and understanding. Then reading through this thread and others, makes me doubt entirely who and what you say you are. And this excerpt from your profile gets me the most,

" I have been at the forefront of helping Wiccans and Pagans in discrimination cases and problems as I have a political background. I have worked with many well known leaders in the craft to fight these various battles. "

So with that in mind who helps the Pagans when its you doing the discriminating? For someone who understands and helps so many people, why are you here doing the tongue lashing? What you only help those you understand or agree with? Far as I am concerned your profile is either of one of your parents, or only written in hopes of getting someone to respect you, which you can't seem to get out in the real world. Then when you don't get it here you rant and rave like a child, for evidence read up through this thread.

Darkermaster and She_Ra though I do not follow your beliefs or chosen path of Magick practice, I do know you are good people with kind hearts. And have helped many, I wish you and all that follow your path the best and warmest blessings. And thank you for having the courage to start an organization in your area following your beliefs so that others in the UK area are not alone.

With all the bad publicity and things that get blamed on Pagans, its about time we all started standing as one.

Yes. Generalized insults are much better than personal ones. Let's quote, shall we?

"I consider Satanism the terrible twos of the Occult world. Every Satanist I have met is young, and somewhat rebellious, and attracted to Satanism for its shock value, usually they grow out of it. It reminds me of Ayn Rand, it all sounds great when your a kid, until you grow up and realize it is just hogwash."

From that comment, those who have started this thread have the mentality of children.

"think I understand him, and can even admire him. He took his fifteen minutes of fame and stretched it out to a half hour or so, good for him, but at no time did he ever take any of this so called Religion seriously, unlike some of the''Experts''on this site. So... go start your church in the UK, everybody needs a laugh now and then, just remember your roots don't come from philosophy, they come from Comedy."

The parentheses around experts suggests that you are calling anyone who deems them self worthy enough to teach this path less than worthy of it. The start up of this church is nothing more than laughable.

"Like I said, go start your silly little church, good luck, have fun, maybe you can con some Scientologists to join you. "

Again, the idea of this church (not the path as a whole, directly pointed to the people starting the church mentioned in this thread) is "silly", and the founders are looking to con people, including those of a religion who are known to fall for bs, which by association would make this bs..by your suggestion.


You started out insulting the path in general, hovering over the line of personal and generalized. Then you moved directly to the founders of this church, which is personal. So no. You did not use direct names, but you did insult, repeatedly, and are now throwing a fit because you are being "attacked".

um...i kinda just want to put this out there. many people said wicca (and still might say) is only for kids, and it's hogwash, but look at it now.

when we look at religion...it doesnt take much. it's what someone believes. if we insult, mock, or degrade what other's believe, then we must open ourselves up and say the same thing about our own belifs.

honestly look at any religion, and i'll bet you that at some point it was or is being called horrible things, and that others are doubting it, hating it.

why continue this? why can't we agree to disagree? or analize our own beliefs instead of others....uh i'm not that experienced, nor am i that wise. but i atleast know that we shouldn't be arguing over things that weren't for arguing over. the original post was to spread news to people of the faith, not to invite some debate other it. just advertising to those who it matters to. for all who are against it, go do an advertisement that you're against it, but don't bash on this post.