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ok, all I see in the start of this thread was an argument because you basically started it with a response to two sets of people, who do not agree, and you know thats always going to be the case as you also pointed out, so what was the point in this thread? Healthy debate, argument then depending on the view it can be all true, so lets just learn to agree to disagree, and learn of what people say and take it on who was right by which works best for that person by experience, apologies for mis spelling and grammer, not perfect.
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