Yes but wicca was "introduced" in the 20th century.
Re: Wicca and varients. By: Lark Moderator / Adept
Post # 16 Sep 07, 2015
Indeed, Gerald Gardner created Wicca in the 1930's and 1940's and introduced it publically in 1954 with the repeal of the anti-witchcraft laws in England. Prior to that Gardner was part of a witchcraft group that had its roots in one of the magical lodges of the early 1900's. As Brysing says, witchcraft goes back for centuries, Wicca not more than 70-80 years. Wicca is an amalgam of folk magic, ceremonial magic, and Freemasonry.
Just one thing: (Roman) Catholicism isn't the original Christian church. The original Christian church is the one we find in the New Testament, plainly, the Church. Most dogmas which are exclusive to the Roman Catholic faith were established from the 4th century AD on.
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Re: Wicca and varients. By: Brysing Moderator / Adept
Post # 18 Sep 07, 2015
Yes, we know that! The Catholic Church as we know it, was established at the Conference at Nicea, by the emperor Constantine.
Even though I'm not a Christian any more and that I believe the whole thing has been made up, etc., one can say that the biblical NT texts are far older than the First Council of Nicaea. The dating for NT texts goes as far as the second century CE (which means that the actual dates of the original documents may be even older), and in the early church there were no dogmas about the assumption of Mary, the perpetuity of her virginity, "latrias" (adoration and prayers addressed to other people rather than God, such as the saints and Mary) just didn't exist as the do now in the Roman Catholic or Orthodox churches. The source is the Bible itself. You can't find all the typical teachings of the Roman Catholic church in the Bible, you'd rather find them in councils and papal documents, not in the "Holy" Book.
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I don't want to derail the thread, I only wanted to add some information and to reply. :-)
Re: Wicca and varients. By: Brysing Moderator / Adept
Post # 21 Sep 08, 2015
Oh, dear, Atlantis! You don't really understand the Catholic Church! Catholics do not pray to Saints; they ask Saints to "intercede". And Mary was not a virgin in the sexual sense. She was born without the stain of the original sin,ie, "pure". She was The Immaculate Conception. In any case, the New Testament has had so much added to it, and so much changed, that it is hardly the "original" document. I was brought up in a strict Catholic community. I went to a Catholic school, and a Catholic College.From the age of 11 to 16, all my teachers were Jesuit Priests.
So,please don't write posts about the Catholic Church, until you know more about it!
I politely disagree with you, and I also think that I have not been arrogant in any way for anyone to ask me to stop posting about this subject.
I regard you as a good poster and an intelligent person, and I see that you do a great job in this forum, believe me I do. This is why I didn't expect such a message from you, but hey, this is your thread, I only wanted to say something and I'm in no mood to argue.
Thank you.
Re: Wicca and varients. By: Brysing Moderator / Adept
Post # 23 Sep 08, 2015
Oh, I don't disrespect you, Atlantis. I am merely pointing out that you do not know as much about the Catholic Church as you think you do! I don't think you were arrogant; just misinformed.
The way I see it is that we don't agree on these interpretations, not that I don't know enough about this subject (I have my "resume", too). Otherwise, you could tell exactly the same to millions of Protestant scholars who think just the same about it as I do.
Or I could do the same you did and tell you that you don't know a thing... But I don't do it, because it's just that your opinion is different than mine. I know you know, but you have a different opinion, which I didn't disrespect by telling you not to post.
No hard feelings on this, on my part, and I still think what I said about you and I still think I can learn a lot from you.