Magick isn't Evil.

Okay so the reason why I am making this forum is because I have been onto multiple sites, watched multiple youtube videos, and have seen it on here...were people come on just to bash us and claim we are evil, sinners, who worship the one they call "Satan".

So I am going to to say this...

In the bible it said that Jesus was able to bring back people to walk with him...in the bible it said Jesus could do many mystical things...Jesus Christ was in fact a witch in terms..He was created by the divine energies the same as we were. Whether he was called a witch or not...

Moses parted the red lake using magick...another verse in the bible. Moses was infact in relation to magick..they were not sinners nor were they praying or making deals with the devil.

Magick is only energy we use, we tap into..Not everyone believes in "Satan" and not everyone believes in "God". Not even everyone believes in Jesus. Now also one of the verses said "Jesus loves all", so why would he say that if he hated witches or practitionars of magick?

The so called "Bible" has been rewritten to fit the churches desires..The truth behind the Pentacle and the Pentagram have no relation to Satan..Some people use the Pentacle and the Pentagram as the points of the elements.

That's true, magic most definitely isn't evil. That's just an old stereotype, everyone on this site knows. People who flame and bash are narrowminded and obviously haven't interacted with magic practitioners, we're normal people trying to do our best with what we have. In fact if thy gave us a chance I bet we'd be some of the nicest, least evil people they have met.

This has come up before. The way I see it is so much of what you do is guided by intent. I hit a real wall working with Christian Prayer and in looking for a solution, found alternative spiritual path that I feel has brought me closer to deity.

This snippet of an article by JC Taylor is really very insightful in terms of respecting others belief systems and mutual admiration of what Deity can and does do for all.


A CHRISTIAN SPEAKS ON THE FAITH AND PATH OF WICCA
by James Clement Taylor

A Situation of Strife and Shame:


There are many Christians today who believe that anyone who is not a
Christian is doomed to an eternity of suffering in hell. Any decent
person, believing this, would be compelled to try to save as many people
from this fate as possible. But is this belief correct? Jesus Christ,
having noted the faith and righteousness of a Roman centurion, a Pagan,
proclaimed:

"Assuredly I say to you, I have not found such great faith,
not even in Israel! And I say to you that many will come
from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the sons of the king-
dom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be
weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 8:10-12)

If we accept these words as true, and surely we should, then it is clear
that heaven will contain many who are not Christians, and hell will
contain many who are! Clearly, throughout the Gospels, Jesus Christ
sets forth the criteria for entrance into the kingdom of heaven, and
those criteria include love, kindness, forgiveness, and a refusal to
judge others:

"For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly
Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive
men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive
your trespasses." (Matthew 6:14-15)

"For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and
with the same measure you use, it will be measured back to
you." (Matthew 7:2)

"But go and learn what this means: `I desire mercy and not
sacrifice.'" (Matthew 9:13)

"Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.
Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and
you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be for-
given." (Luke 6:36-38)

Is it not clear? Anyone who fails in these things, will calling himself
a Christian save him? Anyone who obeys God in these things, will being
unbaptized condemn him? Jesus said, "Not everyone who says to Me,
`Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the
will of My Father in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

Yet it is not by good works that we earn our way into heaven, because
there is no way we can earn the free gift of God's mercy and grace,
which alone can save us. But it is clear that it is not by faith, in
the sense of sharing the Christian faith, that we are saved, either.
The faith which saves us is not faith in the goodness of our works, nor
faith that we have the right theology and/or belong to the right church.
Rather, it is faith in God, and in His mercy:

"So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs,
but of God who has mercy." (Romans 9:16)

But the Wiccans, you will say, do not have faith in God. Yet by their
own theology, they certainly do. Those who call them Satan-worshippers
are entirely wrong. They do not worship Satan, or even believe that
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Satan exists. Instead, they worship a Goddess and a God whom they
understand as manifestations of a higher and unknown Deity.

Now if you are a Christian, this will sound familiar to you, and it
should. In the Bible we find the following:

"Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said,
`Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are
very religious; for as I was passing through and con-
sidering the objects of your worship, I even found an
altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing,
Him I proclaim to you" (Acts 17:22-23)

The Wiccans worship the Unknown God, as manifested to them in the form
of a Goddess and a God. Therefore, our Bible tells us they worship the
same God we do; and if they do not know this, we should know it!

For those of us who are unable to simply stand on God's Word, and must
prove to themselves the truth of what it proclaims the holy Apostle John
has given us the method for doing this. You have only to attend any
public Wiccan ceremony, and test the spirits which are there, to see
"whether they are of God" (1 John 4:1). You will find that, while the
power manifested there may be less than what you have experienced as a
Christian, that power is clearly the power of God.

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, these people of Wicca have been
terribly slandered by us. They have lost jobs, and homes, and places of
business because we have assured others that they worship Satan, which
they do not. We have persecuted them, and God will hold us accountable
for this, you may be sure, for He has said, "Assuredly I say to you,
inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did
it to Me." (Matthew 25:40)

Let us, from this point onward, repent of our misdeeds and declare that
henceforth we shall obey Christ our God, and not judge others or condemn
them, so that He will not have to judge and condemn us for our sins.

While I appreciate the sentiment, I think this is a case of preaching to the choir. This is a magic website, we obviously do not feel that magic is evil.

Quoting the Bible is all very well. There are millions who believe it is "the word of God".
But there are far more millions who believe no such thing!
It was the Christian priests who condemned magic.They taught (and insisted!) that only God (and God made man, Jesus) are able to use magic.
It was the Christians who spread the nonsense about witches; riding on broomsticks,etc.
Our members should study the Nicene Conference of Christian bishops and the pagan Emperor Constantine. They will find that must of the Bible is "additional" to blend the "new" religion with that of the Roman God Mithras.

I agree with linda. The practitioners of magick here already know and consider that magick is not evil. So it isn't necessary to bring up the topic, we already know, magic is not evil. But it does depend on the intention of the caster.

Beating a dead horse, and repeating points that have been repeated for a long time.

Really, God, Jesus, and almost all the prophets used magic. I think more it was the way in which the Jews were to perform magic that mattered, like the way they are suppose to prepare their meat.

Kaballah is a practice that is not often thought of when this topic is brought up, nor is the folk equal hoodoo. Kaballah is Jewish mysticism, hoodoo is African-American *Christian* folk magic which contains elements of Kaballah, European witchcraft, and African magical practices.

My favorite part in the Bible is the part of the story of Daniel, one a lot of people forget. It actually starts out with Daniel saving the magicians, sorcerers, and soothsayers through the power of his God, his magic, his practice.

So no, Jesus, God, Moses, and the prophets are not witches, they do not practice witchcraft.

And do not leave out the history where the pagans killed Christians, or the persecution of the Jewish people.