Sorry for double posting, but in response to that "the biggest flaw I see in all you're logic" comment...
"However, with a properly thought out and stuck to plan, such as vitamin supplements or remembering to eat foods they can have that do provide that nourishment, it isn't unhealthy." -First paragraph of my first post.
Foods that would provide the proteins and all that is required would include eggs, fake meats, etc. Thus why I said "foods they can have that do provide that nourishment" meaning foods that provide proteins and everything else they need that are not meat.
I didn't notice you had jumped on the post so quickly.
It's not just price you have to look at, it's time and how much the food fills you up. For example, say you can get one pound of beef for six dollars or twelve eggs for two dollars. That beef, if fixed properly and dished out in portions, can make several meals. The eggs would be a small part of the meals they are in because they don't fill you up as much.
At least in my experience, a meal of just eggs would take about four or five at least. A meal of just ground beef would take about three fourths of a cup. I would estimate there are about five cups of beef, more or less, in one pound. So, in a dozen eggs there would be about three meals. In a pound of beef there would be about six or seven meals. This, of course, is excluding the other bits that would be thrown in such as pastas, breads, etc, however even then one person can keep a pound of beef for more meals than a dozen eggs.
Unfortunately, that is all based on estimates from my experience based on my own appetite and that of my family members, including siblings, parents, fiance', and fiance's mom and sister. Other people may manage their food differently or give different sized servings eating more or less of either food.
Me personally the way I make sure I get all the protein I need I just literally pig out. For instance in SD we have a pizza place called little Caesars i don't know if its nationwide or not but they sell medium cheese pizzas for 4.75. I usually have the whole entire thing to myself.
That's not really healthy. Along with that protein, you'll also be getting allot of things in your body that your body does not need. However, I suppose it is better than not eating protein at all. Personally, I prefer a nice juicy steak. However, due to lack of sufficient income, my options are usually restricted to the cheaper things such as ground beef and eggs.
Little Ceaser's is good. Good pizza, good prices, good service.
I'm no expert but I've seen a debate on it and I do believe 5 university pforessors are more knowledgeable than you. Meat is good for you, especially fish because of the omega 3.
Vegeterians have a healthy life and I don't see why you think normal meat eating people have an unhealthy life. Maybe you need to get more info.
Veganism is bad. It causes damage. Explore it a bit. I'd love to tell you all about how bad it is but english isn't my first language so it would take time and I don't get paid for being on SoM so...
I've been into bodybuilding and powerlifting and I know much about it. Non animal products don't supply enough power to a body.
Human brain started developing when lesser humans started eating meat (yes this is a fact, Discovery series).
Ok, as a vegetarian for sixteen years and a vegan for six of those years, i have a couple points:
I don't think you can make any blanket statement about one diet being healthy or not. Basically everyone has already talked about it, but i have known very many "french fry vegans." I have also known omnivores who eat at McDondalds every single day. Ask a hundred different people, and they will praise a hundred different diets and lifestyles: veganism, pescitarianism, Atkin's diet, gluten-free, raw foods diet, etc.
What is important is to have enough body wisdom to know what diet is best for you. For me, this took some trial and error and it took some fasting and cleansing to find out how certain foods react with me. For example, cheese for lunch makes me very sluggish and sleepy. Gluten makes me gain weight. I cannot tolerate any kind of meat at all, including eggs. Raw milk upsets my digestion. I only learned these things about myself when i had a clean diet. When i was eating meat and fast food regularly as a teenager, my system was too muddled to be able to discern what food was having what reaction.
The only things nutritionally you have to supplement as a vegan is Vitamin B12. That's it. You do have to watch your protein intake and make sure you get all of your essential amino acids, whether that's from a complete protein like soy or from "protein blending." You have to eat leafy green vegetables every day. You have to watch your carb intake and make sure you're eating enough iron-rich plant-based sources.
I also agree that it is hypocritical to take an ethical standpoint about eating meat and then to use bath products and cosmetics that have animal ingredients and/or are tested on animals. I also think wearing leather is incredibly cruel. And actually the animals that suffer the most in factory farms are dairy cows and egg-laying chickens. If you truly want to go all the way with your ethics, you would need to live a vegan lifestyle, including your household products, and not wear any animal-derived fabrics such as wool and leather.
This is incredibly, incredibly hard to do. Believe me, i tried for years. You can never truly live an entirely animal- and cruelty-free lifestyle. Animal products are everywhere. Cruelty is everywhere. You just have to find what works for you, where your ethical comfort zone is.
I have since moderated my lifestyle choices. I am not a hardcore anarchist activist green hippie mama to the extreme. I am just me and i don't have to try too hard any more. I do my best to live a non-violent lifestyle and to make as small an impact on the planet as possible. For me this includes a strict vegetarian diet, but not an entirely vegan diet.
For me vegetarianism is the easiest and most efficient step towards living a "clean" lifestyle (note that many spiritual traditions of the world keep a vegetarian diet) and it is a way to live low-impact on our environment (do a little reading on the subject and you will surely see the sentiment a hundred times: you can't be an environmentalist and eat meat).
Personally, i don't care what other people do. I will never ever preach one lifestyle over another. If you want to eat meat every day, i could care less. I do know it's an incredibly controversial topic. I have seen dozens of times how people get very uncomfortable and even hostile when defending either their vegetarianism or their decision to eat meat.
Well said LdyGry im a vegetarian myself, each to their own.
At one stage my little boy became vegetarian by his own choice ,then one day we were at a fast food eatery and he asked for a cheese burger which i brought him without any qualms.
Rag I am kinda on the poor side to that why when I do get food I pig out. Plus I am training in MMA so that usually burns any excess calories.
Wudang that reason I see as unhealthy is that "normal" meat eating people (in America at least). Is because obesity is the biggest heath issue and also the number 1 killer and vegetarians have. Veganism is not actually harmful to the body. There are many alternatives to animal products. I would just like to point out that "fact" is not a fact its a theory, and there is many thing to that theory such as it could of been the animals proteins or it could of been having to think to get the animal proteins.
LdyGry I applaud you, but did you actually know that B12 is stored in your body for 15-30 I think, but hey I am glad you have been a vegetarian and currently vegan.
"A low fat plant based diet would not only lower the heart-attack rate by 85 percent but would lower the cancer rate by 60 percent"- William Castelli,M.D.,Medical Directer,Framingham Cardiovascular Institute.
A champion bodybuilder that is also vegan
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Just so I can understand, you don't need supplements to have a healthy vegetarian diet? I only thought vegetarians need because I met some vegetarians that did need supplements but I guess it depends on the person. So I admit I wrong. Personally, I like eating meat and vegetables.
