christian spies

look google it if you don't believe me. all over Africa, Europe, and south america granted they are in rural areas. but none the less it does happen. just last year there was a string of killing in the middle east for the crime of witch craft! as well as the killing of infants in Africa cause they bore the mark of the witch! but like lavar burton said on reading rainbow "don't take my word for", google and you will see! now I don't believe that every one who marches under the cross is my enemy. but you are foolish to think they are not out there!!! did any one actually read the first line of my post "I'm really starting to think this site is infested with spies of the CROSS AND HATE BREEDING VARIETY!!" westboro Baptist church much. now I know they are a rare or at least used to be a rare exception. but more and more these days seems to be a trend starting back up of hate churches feeding off of fear to breed hate. now frankly it scares the piss out of me. my child spoke to one of her little friends about ours being a pagan household. that friend called her names and told a teach in florida, the school called me when I said we are a pagan house hold the school call children's services and accused us of using our girls in satanic rituals! later I found out that the teacher called my daughter a heathen and told her to repent or she would burn in hell. so it seems facts in evidence are on my side. google people or bing it if you prefer.

You are siting individual circumstances rooted in the idiocy of individuals, rather than some vast global conspiracy.

And in so doing, you are targeting a global group and otherwise spreading further discrimination and fear.

What exactly is your goal? Or do you just sit in your basement and write conspiracy theories?

don't have a basement, don't wear aluminum foil hats, don't think the whole world is out to get me. but I do know there are diehard fundamentalist Christian groups out to destroy every thing any pagan, new ager, neo-mystic group believes in!! right down to sci-fi/fantasy fiction to role playing & video games!! I was in florida when the Baptist church in our neighbor hood held a late night book burning!! complete with choir and sermons of hell fire and damn nation
Leviticus 19:37 20:27 0:6
exodus 22:18
Deuteronomy 18:10 18:9-12
revelations21:8
2 kings 21:6

http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Witchcraft/

the list goes on and on common them there .... kill the witch
so some one says beware it just means be aware! I grow up in the bible belt man! I seen my fair share of hate. hell my mother is an ordained methodist minister. has been since I was you got beat for believing a stage magician really had power to pull a rabbit out of thin air when I was five

In responese to the part part of the post that "Western Medicine" will put you in a paded room for being wicca or believing in magic,or mythical creatures is completley unfounded.
They do not do that at all. If anything the phyicatric community as a whole believes that relgious and spiritual beliefs can help.They often call them coping skills only but thats ok.
As for Catholics and other Christian groups I find they generally leave us alone. Some are rather excepting,I personally have had debates with pastors & priest. They didnt try to burn me at the stake.
Mythical creatures well, thats a personal choice. If you believe in them fine no harm there. On the other hand if you believe you are one, I would be a bit conserned about your mental health sorry.

Maybe it's just me but this topic seems to be running around in circles at this point.

yeah it is stated same message four different ways still come back to warwind is whacco so what ever

warwind There are indeed killings in the name of witchcraft going on all over the world in 3rd world countries, that is true. However, blaming every killing of a supposed witch on the catholic church or any single organization or religion is just being simple minded. As for your spiritual/religious preferences, I couldn't care less. Live and let live. There are no spies; Werewolves have not been proven to exist. Ext. Ext.

Here's what's happening right now, your emotions are getting the better of you. What are you going to do about all this. The answer is either go off the deep end or nothing. There is nothing you can do that will actually stop this from happening, well not without a personal army and adequate resources as well as funds. The point is yes it happens, no its not the church, and no there is nothing you, yourself, right now, can do about it. Apologies is this truth offends you. But, such is the way of the world.

When everyone's insane but you, maybe you should do some thinking.

I'm not saying mount armed resistance just be aware. they are out there. I've seen it first hand, and I know the tricks. my mom is a preacher. when she ran a church they had people sit on sites like this to spread bad info and doubt like a poison well.

as for my plan for when it hits the fan, I been sitting on a really good concealment charm. wont work for long I know, but it'll get out of dodge easy enough. used it before to fly under the radar. worked well enough then.

@warwind2381

The idea that the site has "spies" specifically is absurd. Spies imply a state of warfare, or imply that there is something hidden on this public site that would be worth the espionage.

We welcome anyone to this site who wishes to be here. People making accounts to cause trouble, mess up the chat, or generally be a nuisance aren't welcome. Religion isn't an issue unless a person whom enters decides to make it an issue.

While it is true that there will be the odd non pagan that feels it necessary to point out just how damned our souls are, by far it is the minority that do so.


Many of the spells that are "met with disbelief" are the ones that seem impossible, far fetched, or outright fake.
If a person posted "Today I turned into Godzilla and burned down Tokyo, here is the spell I used.." Would you believe them without attempting a rational exercise to determine how plausible the spell is? It was once a common held idea among occult practitioners to use common sense and logic to decide if something was within the realm of possibility, while nowadays it seems like blind faith and defence of blind faith is the norm.

Rational thought has been around for hundreds of years, and using rational thought and logic to debunk or sift through spells is encouraged, and not to be discouraged.

While it is true that self doubt can cause issues with your magical practices, it is a well practised and well learned mage/witch/whatever that can overcome it. Learning to use magic and interacting with the Self, it becomes necessary to understand your own mind and its ability to cause issues or boons.
If anyone cannot overcome their doubts, or fears, perhaps they aren't ready to be active spellcasters.
It also should be noted that magic is personally subjective, and the words of others Should be meaningless to you and your practice except to take in what is useful. If anything somebody said can dig at you, rile you up, or cause doubt.. perhaps your own beliefs aren't as solid as you want to think they are. Not calling you out in particular war, but that as a general statement of fact applying to anyone in the described situation.

We ought to be above it, we can be above it, we Are above it.


When it comes to magical beings/entities/creatures/gods/ect again it is subjective. One person's deity is another person's demon. One person's Right is another's Wrong. You will never have everyone agree, and as I mentioned prior it is unimportant that they do. It is infact a waste of time to Try to make them agree, and wasting the energy only accomplishes wasting the energy.

Many people here take umbrage at the concept that people blindly assume every magical being ever conceived by humanity exists, and beyond that.. Exists on This plane and can even mix into the human gene pool!
There are dozens of reasons why this line of reason is faulty, flawed, and downright painful. The most obvious reason is many of these beings are considered to be energy, not flesh. Energy cannot mate with flesh, cannot join as flesh, and cannot "hybridize" with flesh. Human is Human. Souls are souls, Humans are Souls with physical form, but they are Still Human while they keep the flesh they wear.

It isn't a poor idea to believe, or to believe in spirits or beings of non human origin. To blindly believe that all of humanity's ghosts and goblins, gods and demons, and all other stripes not only exist on this plane, but would Care about our existence enough to interact on a regular basis with us is downright arrogant. If one examines the way that some speak of spirits, you can all but Taste the arrogance and presumption in their words, even as they are blind to it. Gods are Gods for a reason.


Western medicine treats all those who do not display the mainstream belief, the current social Norm, to be insane. By definition insanity is deviation from the Norm, and since each Individual Deviates to a degree, by Definition Humanity is collectively Insane. There IS no real "normal" it is a lie that we tell each other to better ease social interaction, and a poor lie at that.
People who say they hear voices can be diagnosed as mentally ill. People who say they hear the voice of God can be diagnosed mentally ill, it is not pagan/non Christian Only. Any person of Any faith can be called insane. My personal opinion on insanity, is that many forms of it are caused by interaction between the spiritual self and mental self, conflicting interacting information between what we experience as life and what we experience being sent to our souls. I believe there are physical signs and chemicals that signify these, because As the changes happen at one level they happen on ALL levels. As above, so Below.
The benefit of the doubt is earned through rationally and logically explaining beliefs and reasons, Not through blind acceptance. Society can accept a madman who is rational, Crowley is an interesting example.
Flashy magic as you call it, seems to be undefined. Now I could say that projecting lightning from your hands a la star wars would fit what you call "flashy magic". In this example, there are means and lesser ways to project charged energy from ones hands, ie accumulating and manipulating static. Some people with awakened psychic talent cause electrical disturbances, radio static, and bulbs to explode. Their energy is in a frequency that is disharmonious with such things, and is therefore disruptive.

Is projecting actual lightning impossible? If you could, you would sear your flesh, and blacken your hands. Ones mind, body and soul have safeguards so we do not damage our containers, which is why if you hold your breath you pass out.. instead of asphyxiating.
Demons really have nothing to do with the rest of your argument, and bring up their existence does nothing to forward your point. If it doesn't add sensibly to your argument it becomes unnecessary filler.


Yes in many countries there are witch/ect killings. There are also honour killings, debt killings, mutilations, and attacks against other faiths, and attacks against women and children. Why do you presume to say that only Pagan lives have value? (I realise you Did Not implicitly state this, for sake of argument I am using it as an example)
Even before the witch burnings of the past, people would have issues with those they felt were capable of magic. In some countries, mexico being an example, there are "witch doctors" whom practice curses and black magic, that they willingly unleash against their neighbours. It becomes a case of a bad apple spoiling a barrel, and spreads fear. People react to things that cause them harm, and the cycle of witch/ect vs non is much older and more circular then you seem to realise. It's infact as old as human vs human, and to think of it in any less broad terms is folly.
Calling entire groups your enemy does nothing to the groups. It wastes your energy in grudges and hatred. What does it earn you? Do you feel at peace for hating them? Does it give you security to hate? How about happiness? I would bet the answer to all of those is no. The real enemies here are hate and fear. If neither side hated nor feared the other, what reason would there be for conflict? Religious differences? Without hate and fear, differences can be debated, respected, accepted, and even celebrated.

As long as humans keep their heads down in the mud, and stay more willing to be ignorant then enlightened, there will be people who hate. Hate out of fear, misguides senses of righteousness, or in reaction to having been treated. None are acceptable, and none are Right.
Every religious group has fundamentalist sects. They are the loudest and the most notorious. The ones that bay for blood, with zeal and frenzy, and truly only accomplish the feat of embarrassing their fellow man. Surely the Godhead weeps in shame at the way our souls behave.

It really does seem that you are too close to the issue to be objective. As having grown up in the bible belt, you have been discriminated against most of your life. That doesn't mean everyone, everywhere who is non pagan/ect is the same, nor does it mean that everyone who hates or commits heinous acts are doing it from faith. Faith is as much as an excuse to butcher ones fellow man as any, and is even more acceptable now because it is seen as justifiable. Justifiable arguments do not make right or moral.

Publicity allows hate to thrive. If everyone in the world ignored and forgot about people who spread hate, or even laughed at them, there would be less and less of them seen.

What it comes down to is posting in this manner, emotionally and unobjectivly makes you out to be as bad as you see "them" to be.


I hope you can understand that I am not "bashing", but being objective and clinical. If you choose to respond, it would be encouraging if you could do so in the same manner.

As for everyone else whom has posted. Disagreement is fine. Debate is encouraged, and argument is acceptable.

If you cannot do so logically and objectively or must resort to put downs, then you are really no better then the person whom is on the receiving end of your scorn.

Ideally we can all co-exist and debate without taking things personally. This world is Not Ideal.