It wasn't the borrowing I am bothered about, but the the misquoting thereof which was accompanied with very bad use of the english language.
There is also no need to get flustered with me, I believe in borrowing these ideas, but not without credit and not without taking into account it's original intentions. As for the tree of life that is merely a map, and the form well known today was not created by Jews, it evolved and was created or rather put together by ritual magicians.
Crowley borrowed from the bible, but kept the quote the same and always derived some meaning from an original jewish interpretation. He also borrowed from eastern mysticism and tells you what the original doctrine states and then what he thinks about it.
Above all Crowley had a write to do this as he was an adept and well versed in the philosophys.
From what I have researched of spiritual satanism a lot of people claim that their ideas are original and can be traced back thousands of years, most of the time this is rubbish.
I am not going to argue with you if this is what you wish.
The qabalah is not based on the torah, it can be applied to the torah. The tree of life is based on the sepher yetzirah. The tree of life evolved throughout the centuries into the one we know to day. The one we know today came from the 13th century. But Mathers and other golden dawn members had to do a bit of polishing before it was fully usable.
Crowley derived liber 777 from what he was taught in the golden dawn and co-authored it with his golden dawn tutor Allan Bennet. Bennet didn't totally agree with publishing golden dawn secrets however and didn't wish his name be involved with it.
As for the sepher sephiroth,surely the idea is to create your own, how his his any different to anyone elses?
Everyone also has their own way of doing gematria, the key is to be consistent in the way you do the working.
The original post said that the quote I had a problem was written somewhere, I wonder where it is written?
I do not wish to argue with you, I also will not stoop to personal attacks, yes I said he used bad english, this was not an attack but a factual statement. I admit my english is not brilliant on this site in the most part due to typing, but at least my words are in the right order.
Hecate, Crowley stole and plagiarised Golden Dawn rituals after breaking his oath so implying that he never misquoted anything and was a bastion of virtue beggars belief. Your statement that Kabbalah was invented by higher magicians (and not the Jews) shows your lack of understanding. Kabbalah (which means to receive ~ Kabbalah was received from god by the Jews) was established by Jews in Babylonia, Provance, Italy and Spain between the 6th and 13th century.
I'm not 'getting flustered' with you Hecate I'm trying to engage you in debate. You accused Lyjinn of being rude and using bad English and I'm simply defending his right to have an interpretation/ opinion that you disagree with.
No called the person rude for misquoting a book which I have a respect for, not for having an opinion, if that was your interpretation then forgive me, my point was to merely point out that the original authors intentions did not coincide with his interpretation....I don't believe the book was dictated as you can probably tell. There is nothing wrong with this, but an authors intentions can often be misconstrued.
It is also my opinion that misquoting a book which you can just copy and paste from is a bit rude, and that's my opinion.
Lyjinn didn't 'miss quote' he didn't quote full stop! He adapted something to full full his purpose. If you don't like what he did then I respect your opinion but many practitioners of the arts, especially those that follow eclectic paths borrow and adapt. If we are not open to change and diversity we stagnate. You yourself say you follow Thelema but you also believe in karma according to your bio. Where pray tell did Karma originate from? How has the concept of karma been adapted to fit other ideologies. Magick is a melting pot of ideas and we should be free to Experiment and incorporate other belief structures if we so choose.
Hecate,you also made a comment about Lyjinn's religion which was very derogatory, in claiming that Spiritual Satanists stole other people's idea's was offensive, and uncalled for. We must strive to respect all paths.
No he quoted he clearly stated "As it is written."
But I agree we must change and adapt but also give credit where credit is due for example my interpretation of karma differs from, but derives from ancient indian mysticism.
If you refuse to respect other's beliefs why do you expect them to respect yours? Your arrogance, intolerance and ignorance define you. For that I am sorry.
Hecate, "I don't expect them to respect my opinion". If you don't expect Lyjinn and other spiritual satanists to respect your opinion why argue it like a petulant child?
