Smnthing needs to be done

Darkest, I think you seriously misunderstand what serious practitioners do with magick.

Magick is life. It's all around us. Can you cause change? Yes, you can. Usually in ways you don't necessarily think of.

If I do a spell for money, is a bag going to fall out of the sky? No. It's more than likely going to come in the form of a raise, inheritance, finding a wallet, ect. Why? Because my will has to cause a series of events to happen in order to create the desired situation.

How many people do you see flying around with giant golden wings made with magick? None. Gee, I wonder why.
How many people do you see walking around throwing fire balls from their hands? None. Can you guess why?

Do you honestly think, in today's technology reliant age, these things wouldn't go viral in seconds if they were possible? Everyone who claims to have done it can't seem to afford a camera, cell phone or web cam to make sure we can all see it and eat crow.

Magick is beautiful and simple. It's only as complex as you wish to make it via ritual, spells, chants, ect.

Some things are simply not currently possible. To think otherwise or to even lie and say it's been done is to live in a fantasy world. It's not healthy, it's childish and it will leave you seriously deprived later on in life when you sit back and realized you wasted your time on trivial things.

The site can be protected, if the forums were policed as insanely as the chatter is, and the stupid vampire & lycan games removed from the advertisements, this site would straighten up in a matter of time.

Years ago if someone asked for a good website, I always sent them to SOM. Now when they ask I send them to google, thus giving them a 50% fighting chance of not getting sucked into this teenage invasion of impossibilities being the truth in witchcraft.

Ok, first off, when do you people ever think outside of the box? Why is it always money, fame, vanity, all the ego oriented stuff? You still have not told me what you find notable enough to be mentioned as what you have done.

now, you doubt all these things cannot be possible, mainly because you have no experience with it occurring. that doesn't make it impossible, it makes it improbable. now, quantum physics goes into energy manipulation and so do psychonauts, why cant you see its the same thing, just a different method.

think outside of your current scope of reality. what you perceive is what makes your reality. now, i know the difference between mindspace and reality. but the mindspace allows all these amazing things to form. out of this comes ideas that are usually contested but eventually make their way into the community.

@Darkestlight,

Okay first of all... do you even know what quantum physics is? It is the study of the behavior of photons. It has nothing to do with energy manipulation!...? Secondly, you aren't going to win this argument. Your trying to defend an idea that isn't plausible at all. Lets say you were able to achieve these things (which you can't), doing so ISN'T MAGICK! Thats what they're trying to tell you! If you would just listen every now and then you wouldn't get so much negativity.

All spells regarding vamps werewolves and leviation should b removed.and same goes with forums and in public chatter and coven chatter a new rule

"if i talk abt vamps or werewolves or RP I understand that i will be gagged and gag wont be removed"

this will decrease idiots to some extent.and we can have quality forums

@Sharpeye

Actually, quantum physics has alot of solid information that can be connected to magical theory or to energy manipulation. Its more about studying theoretics on how the universe works, aside from photons. Hence string theory, which is from quantum mechanics. Science gives us perspectives, which can be important to the individual practitioner or to the community at large.

@Darkestlight

I believe that, speaking purely for myself of course, my most valuable castings and experiances with magic are intensly personal. To me magic is a medium for personal growth and spiritual evolution. Spells, to me, are exercises in will desire and knowledge to cause an effect.

I would say that the substance of the original post is being lost to internal issue. The original issue addressed was against people wanting spells to surpass training and skill learning, as well as things like shifting solid matter or becomming part of a species that is strictly immaterial.
Its never Ever about "winning" or "losing", thinking like that only inflames the situation and causes ego's to come to blows. Its about knowledge, spreading intelligent conversation and to a point debate of course :)

Magic is individual experiances, as is much of life. As has been said we cannot fully say what is or is not possible, but with people who Have had years of practice it is reasonable to determine what is Probable. Especially when people consider specific things that are labeled "fluffy", they are so because there is no reasonable way to preform them Or because the act has been blown to fantastic proportions (ie: "I hav some red candles an nao im a vampire!!" or "im 45555333 years old and i have ancient unstoppable powers!! ...how do you ground again?")

Alot of the fluff issue is common sense, not a consensus Or a censorship of possibility (as some seem to feel it is).

@flagg

this is a large misconception. Quantum mechanics is exactly what I previously said it was. These other theories of which you speak are are separate fields of science. Although some might have come about as a way to help us understand photon behavior (i.e string theory).

@ Sharpeye

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_quantum_mechanics

I would consider it to be more of a field of study of reactions and actions, wavelengths and energy effects (including, but not limited to, photons).

If you weren't implying that it was Only the study of photons, then I apologise. Otherwise, I would say that studying energy in general is the idea behind it, and anything that studies interactions of energy is useful for energy manipulation If you take scientific mindsets or find their explanations useful in comparing or contrasting with magical views of the same topics. Its quite a large field, and somewhat new (in comparison to other fields, and due to the quantity of theory in QM).

I find that it comes into accordance with views I have, or have seen expressed about the scales of vibrational frequency, especially considering astral projection and higher realms of thought.

looks like a debate is going on o.O

Well yes, I can say it has given way to many fields if science which lean towards the possibility of magickal energies. Originally because it proved the fact that not everything can (has) been scientifically founded. This began with the quantum study of light patterns. But idk :p