The energy used in magic, or indeed in mystical arts such as yoga, is termed 'subtle' energy. The reason for this is because it is not a physical sensation, but rather, a sensation which is too subtle to be physically measured. If it was a physical based energy, there would be a tool to measure it, there would be no question within the scientific community that such an energy exists.
Since the energy used in magical arts is not physical based it would be absurd to think that it can directly affect the physical plane, the key word being 'directly'. And I can tell you from 8 years of experience with magic, it cannot. Lark has also just stated this and she has much more experience than me, as does Brysing.
The energy used in spells and rituals is designed to act on the astral plane and unconscious mind, which is why there is a great use of symbolic actions in spells and rituals. The idea is that the astral plane is a place which can be manipulated by energies which in turn, often over time, can gestate and bring the desired outcome into manifestation on the physical plane. Spells, whilst performed on the physical plane in most cases, do not directly influence it.
Now, my next point is far less theoretical and should be obvious. Use common sense, do not believe everything you see, hear, feel etc. Especially if you witness these things on television or youtube. If you don't see people who are able to do it at large, chance are, it cannot be done. If you cannot already accomplish something without magic (in theory), then magic is not going to cause you to be able to do it.
It simply doesn't work like that, the sooner we get rid of the superstition from occultism and everything which the new-agers have spouted from their pens, the sooner we can have a true magical revival and gain more respect.
You just proved my point, you haven't researched them before you say they are fake. You dont move a candle flame with your mind, you do it with energy, you dont make the wind blow with your mind, you do it with energy, not the energy spells or magic is, but your own personal energy. Yes, some people may claim to have aerokonetic abilities but simply are taking credit for the wind moving on its own, but you can tell if you're moving it because you can feel the energy when the wind moves by your doing. Also, before anyone says that I learned this from tv and the internet, I learned this on my own and then discovered things about it, I never watched avatar and when I did instantly realized that yes of course you can't do that. About spirit talks, it wasn't the demonstration videos that I wanted people to watch, the ones that explain and tell you some ways to do kinetic abilities are the ones to watch.
And you didn't read what I just said, your personal energy is energy which cannot be measured physically and is therefore subtle, so my points still apply.
If you can demonstrate personal energy scientifically i.e. produce physical results which can be measured, display it and get rich!
If such things were possible, that's what people would do. I certainly would.
Well I'm not everyone, I dont think these abilities should be used to get money. Also, anyone can do the kinetic abilities its not like people are 'chosen' they just simply discover them one day and continue doing them. Tell me why you think they dont exist, hadit I understand your point and then maybe people who do. Energy manipulation have learned to move their energy.
1. I don't believe other people's stories because a) I'm not an idiot, and b) because some people are idiots.
2. My experience of magic and the energies of the body and those external to it have allowed me to gain an understanding of them. How they work, their capabilities and limitations.
3. If they were possible we would see them everywhere.
4. People I respect in the occult community also share similar conclusions to me and know that such things are not possible.
5. It is not scientifically possible because there is no energy which can be physically measured and only physical energy could effect physical reality.
Need I continue? Nothing I say will change yours or anyone's mind, people love a bit of fantasy, a bit of strangeness. You will continue to believe until one day you realise it's all rubbish. I'm not in the mood and lack the patience to slowly tell you "It's not real", but one day, providing you are sensible, have a scientific mind, and are capable of rational thought you will come to that conclusion. So may time be your teacher.
Sorry if my wording was off but I didn't mean for you to reply hadit because you already gave me a reason, but just because you and other people have come to the same conclusion doesn't mean its right, and experience doesn't mean you know everything, and the only reason we don't see them happening everywhere is because 1- people realize that these abilities aren't meant to flaunt around and 2- the people who do try to prove them to the public are just called crazy.
Actually, James Randi gave people the opportunity to prove these abilities scientifically for a cash prize, none succeeded. They aren't regarded as crazy, just charlatans, and that is what they are.
Re: kinetic abilities By: Brysing Moderator / Adept
Post # 12 Aug 28, 2015
Jamesisaac, you are 15 years old with some experience (you say).
I am 82 with at least 70 years of study and experience. Now, as I have said, you may believe whatever you wish to believe.Carry on believing it! Just do not expect others with more knowledge and experience to agree with you.
You have a lot to learn. Meanwhile, believe what you want. (But it isn't true!)
Who says that the people who are telling you that kinesis is not true have not researched it? Some of us have been working in magic for longer than you've been alive and we are telling you that it does not work. Continuing to insist that it is possible is nothing more than role-play, which is against the rules of this site.
