Ragnorok, I am doing my best to remain respectful here towards you, without getting insultive as Blue_Loki is doing.
I apologize for the spelling mistakes on my most recent reply too, it was 3am where I was at, I was tired and ill, and could not sleep.
But anyway regardless of that..
As for your response, I do agree with you that both demons and angels can be responsibile for posession.
If summoned correctly and through Enki, a dedicated Satanist can ask a demon to go and get revenge if one is new to Satanism and one is not capable of doing it themselves.
I am glad that you agree with me about the emotions.
Now Wudang, to you, I have never witnessed a live exorcisim, but I have seen documentaries of them both on Youtube and on the TV itself, in places such as South Africa, a highly religious continent.
To be honest, I find them a bit over exaggerating, if the thing is not real, then my guess it would be them acting it out.
I know that no religion is perfect, and every religion has its flaws.
I see more sense in Satanism, and more truth in Satanism rather than Christianity, and that is the reason why I have chosen to dedicate myself to Enki.
Note that I was raised in a Christian home, I was baptized, I was forced into going to Sunday School by my parents, and forced to say the "Lord's prayer" every night before I went to bed.
It was almost like a routine.
My parents are not extreme Christians by any stretch of imagination, but having Christianity forced on me as it is with so many people I do not agree with, and that is what puts me off it, not forgetting to add to the fact that I find it very hard to believe in.
I have read the Bible, and stories from the Bible when I was younger, and again recently.
I think religions should be a personal choice, and not forced upon you by birth.
I went to a family Christening lately out of respect for my family, and I didn't like what I saw.
I saw the whole thing as intrusive, when the child is old enough to understand, only then should they decide whether or not they make that choice to go on and follow God/Jehova.
With the Heaven and Hell concept, that's what you believe it to be.
I believe in Paradise rather than Heaven, and I don't believe that we're punished by our mistakes, as every mistake is a lesson not yet learned in my opinion.
I won't say anymore on this out of respect for your beliefs and your mothers.
Addressing you here Wudang, again, why would Jehova test someone?
Why would someone need a divine punishment for his/her acts when the "punishment" of his/her acts would result in having to live with the consquences?
Isn't that enough of a punishment? To me it is..
What was Jehova planning to do with this child anyway if it wasn't a "test" and the Abraham sacrificed his child?
The most plausible option in my eyes is that Jehova would eat the child, which given his blood thirsty history isn't exactly a surprise.
I cannot remember everything that was said in the replies to my response, and again for that I apologize..but two more things.
Ragnorok, I noticed that you failed to give a reponse back to my quote at the ending said by one of the Popes, why was that?
Satanist's are annoyed and will attack back at Christian's who attack us and Enki, which is why I responded to this post in the first place, I found the "get behind me Satan" very offensive.
Just like Christian's would've cried out if someone said that about Jehova, it is exactly the same thing..
i cant understand metaphors Ragnorok. straight to the point answer please. yes or no? have you seen his face?
ah.. yeah. Wudang. what a wonderful name. but sadly. you are stupid. you just feel a presence of a demon. but didn't see the demon yet you claim that it is a demon possesion.
i have seen this so call demon possesion and even a priest come by to exorcist that evilspirit. but to me. the only thing i can see coming out from that girl aura/body is a thoughtform. ah wait. let see here. i have fully open third eye and i see no demon like what the priest claimed. guess what. im not 1 of that types. i'm very annoyed by this site that is full with ignorant members who cant differentiate between thoughtforms, spirits and demons.
Blue_Loki, sometimes, yes, can you not get your point across to people backing it up with knowledge and friendly debates without refering to people as "stupid"?
They will insult you too if you insult them.
woops. sorry about that ''stupid'' word. but seems like this forum doesnt have the edit button. well. at least i didn't use the other swear word that can be too offensive.
I have yet to see someone kicked out of a church. If they were it was probably for being disrespectful or otherwise causing problems, that or the church isn't a good church to be at. However, perhaps you should reread my posts. I never claimed to be a monk. As for the metaphor with the blind, if a blind man can still meet people then so too can Christians meet God.
Sin, by the perception of Christians, is evil. If I point out that good and evil are perceptions chances are, assuming I'm talking to someone with intelligence, they will point out that this(holding up a bible) is their perception.
Blue_Loki, as much as you may hate to admit it or be ignorant of the possibility, possession by a demon is a possibility. Unless I see something to tell me that there is no way that child is possessed, I'm not going to enforce anyone shut up about it.
I just realized Romolo already said all that.
Andras, "I think religions should be a personal choice, and not forced upon you by birth." I agree and I believe that is why God gave us free will, but if you look at it from your parents' reality they may have just been trying to make sure you wouldn't suffer for not being Christian later. Allot of parents make that mistake and in doing so push their children away from Christianity, especially when the child has a mind of his own. Just out of curiosity, is your family Catholic?
With Heaven, I believe paradise is just another name for the same place.
I didn't reply to your quote because I did not know you expected me to. However, I think it has worked both ways. The criminal Satanists(posers, as most other Satanists seem to call them) have pushed more people to Christianity around where I am at then the Christians have managed from preaching. We don't need advertisements, we have Satanists(or Satanic-wannabes, whatever they are).
Blue_Loki, you have changed your question. You asked if I met him. I have. Now you ask if I have seen his face, I have not. Not with my physical eyes anyways.
From the last paragraph of that post, what I see is you confessing that your beliefs are limited to what you can see or have seen. Have you seen the dozens of other galaxies existing within our universe? If not, does that mean they are not there?
I'm sorry you can't understand metaphors. I find it easier to talk to certain people by using metaphors to simplify things. It is rare that I find someone who doesn't understand them, in fact I think you are only the second person in the past so many years.
Andras. we're all sensitive about our religions. If you wish I can answer your questions about the Bible or Christianity in a civil way, no attacking and stuff, but let's keep it via mail.
Loki you are really an ignorant.
I pitty you.
Let me reply to your supreme third eye remark: it was a demon.
I'm not a person that yells "demon!" to everything that happens around me.
Bragging about your third eye won't get you fame. Anyone can use it.
Even our normal eyes can fool us. So can the third eye. The main processor is the brain no matter what sense you use.
But you're so supreme and mega awesome that you know everything right?
I know blue_Loki has been insulting but can we try to refrain from insults, after all it is better to lead by example, similarly blue_Loki try to refrain from insulting others it's not a good way to make your point.
Andras, I appologise if the prayer I quoted was insulting to you, that was not my intention it was merely an attempt to help with original problem.
Blue_Loki just because you saw an exorcism without a demon does not make it any less of an exorcism, as an exorcism us the act of removing unwanted controlling or manipulative entities from the body which is exactly what you said you witnessed.
In my opinion Ragnorok, those "Satanists" don't even deserve the name Satanist placed upon them.
A true Satanist does not go around attacking people, and values life.
Even though you said that, you still didn't really answer my question.
If Jesus existed, then why did a POPE say "that he was a myth"?
That was a Pope talking, not me.
And no, my dad's side of the family are not Catholic, however my mothers are..
They know my religious views, they accept it, they don't care because it's not something that we talk about.
Regarding Heaven and Paradise here, I personally see Paradise as part of the Astral Planes where I believe we go when we die, where we are reunited with our family and loved ones, and wait to go into a new existence.
The common theme of what "Heaven" looks like in most peoples opinions is fluffy clouds, blue sky, halo's above the head playing a harp for eternity.
I think after a while, that would get rather boring, don't you?
Wudang, I'm perfectly capable of reading the Bible myself, thank you, but no thank you.
I have done so in the past when I used to go to church when I was a young child.
Then re-read it again when I was older.
I think Blue_Loki was only trying to defend his God, just as a Christian was doing, just worded it in the wrong way.
Sometimes when people are angry, they're not capable of getting their point across in a mild manner.
I know I'm not a moderator by any means, but I ask the both of you to stop this arguing and please respect each others opinions.
If you can't-then why don't the both of you simply leave this thread, and if you wish to continue the argument, then through PM's?
Because I really think that people don't want to see a religious version of Big Brother arguments going live here.
Romolo, all I wanted was an apology, and a little consideration to those who believe in Enki, and the Gods, and not for him to be a monster with a little red tail and a trident, so thank you, I appreciate your apology, now that people know better, I hope to see nothing like this again.
