Ha my mistake sorry!
Without a doubt the christian religion has flaws, but when people make false claims about a religion because of stereotypes I just can't help myself.
I would never insult someones religion, its ludicrous that people in a magic community (stereotyped by others as "devil worshipers") would. Two wrongs don't make a right and only push the divide between us deeper and deeper.
I personally wasn't insulting the Christian religion, I was pointing out the flaws of the Satanists like those from joyofSatan.com. I understand those who use the word loosely but many take the Christian idea and reverse it. I also disagree with the idea of Lucifer in general, because the only claims on Lucifer are not supported by the Bible. The name was mentioned once in reference to a king, not an angel, and the rest was fabricated by the Catholic Church as an extension to that misinterpretation. I have yet to be offered some form of scripture or ancient text of mythology that demonstrates these extravagant stories surrounding an angel named "Lucifer".
I don't believe in a "Devil" or "Satan" and feel that "evil" is merely a human made term created by men who try to separate themselves from their natural carnal nature by making it seem like an external force. It couldn't possibly be them...no, no, must be some devious being. Nature is both constructive and destructive, it is both kind and malicious--you can see this in everything, animals (including humans), plants, weather, and insects. Children demonstrate this most considerably, before they have been drilled with human morals and values. They are considered "innocent" yet they are the entirely driven by carnal instincts. Humans set their own standard and feel the world revolves around them, including their deity/deities. I personally enjoy the pre-jewish (Kabbalist) version of YHWH (which is essentially the Christian god). He was both sides of the spectrum, seen as light and dark in one. In my opinion, any creator would have to be what they create, so therefore the creator is everything nature embodies and this divine would not judge his/her creations for being what he/she is. Any ideas that a lesser god would be capable of overriding the Source by somehow tainting his/her creation makes no sense. But of course, that doesn't mean people shouldn't strive to better themselves. But even "better" is questionable. What is "better" other than another label? I could go on and on. It's why I never agreed with most religion. And I have yet to be confronted with a debate that disproved my opinion despite their religious affiliation. I've even stumped priests.
...this is why nobody started a thread on Satanism so much arguing I mean seriously your not going to convince people to alter there views its pointless to try a lesson I have learned just keep religious views to yourselfs it will save you a lot of arguing trust me.
Labistar Satan is not somone you get increased magical powers that comes from meditation and opening the chakras and nobody has gotten money from Satan unless the need is dire and even then I've heard of nobody who's gotten money from the true lord and creator of us all
Espitit is absolutely right. However as much as I like the Satanism philosophy its devoted to being a typical person. I personally do not believe in "Satan" as an enity but rather a collect idea that makes people well people. For example. "666" mark of the "beast" refers to man and the inverted Pentagram is pointed to the earth which both go back to "man". I personally can not stand JoS as it spews hate once you get into some of their "work". As I stated earlier I like the philosophy but not the dogma however I feel the same way about Gnostic views. As far demons go between collective and shared aspects they all go back to a pagan deity of some sort. People have this impeccable need to if there's good in the world there's got to be "evil" especially when dealing with paganism and having fear of what they don't understand. And also you're leaving out the many different paths in Satanism. Lucifian to the Left handed path, and a few others. JoS is Christianity in reverse views. I'm not knocking other than the hateful rubbish that some use. As with any chosen explore it all before proclaiming its end all.
Everyone hast their own views on things. Such as people think that Satan is their creator and some people think the Goddess is. It is a very controversial topic in which to discuss. Everyone has their own views and theories of life and none in this topic will make a point.
oh I left out Setians. Whom think the Egyptian deity Set is Satan. To be perfectly honest there's about ten different deities that got labeled as Satan. Enki isn't just the only one that is seen in that view. As he's the same as "Lucifer" Rae,Baal etc. And actually there is a scripture in the Bible that refers to Baal as Lucifer just can't remember where its at right on the top of my head. So its a matter of belief on that but when you leave out all the dogma,it boils down to the idea of man and the meaning of adversary.
