Dimensional Magic?

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"But somehow you decided to create a dichotomy of all energy or none. You used a false dichotomy to create a straw argument.

But I also said there are those who believe it is possible, using magic, to communicate with other dimensions -- in terms of parallel universes. I never said they are wrong, only that I do not share that belief. There is no way to prove or disprove such personal gnosis."

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Saying I did X is a false dichotomy.
X being "create a dichotomy of all energy or none"

Not sure where I said all areas use energy. I do recall mentioning areas which use energy.

Claiming "I" vs "You" could be considered an Ad Hominem. That said, it does help clairify.

Most arguments could be considered "Strawman". Largely because they are "set up" to be "knocked down". It is a false dichotomy to suggest they are not useful. Not that I am saying you are saying that. That would be an ad hominem.

Alas, stating terms is also just a "red herring", and distracts from the actual conversation.

Can personal Gnosis be proven? Well, there are methods of sampling that are used quite frequently in science. Psychology, for example, uses such sampling techniques. Though, correlation is not causation. That being said, when P-value is 5% then we can accept the null-hypothesis.

Of course, that is just Jargon indicative of my own educational background. For laymen it simply means with enough tries you can determine how reliable something is.

One could suggest that an inability to accept a possibility out right without taking the time to either research or try it could be suggestive of not accepting of science as a whole.

If you were, taking a scientific standpoint, you would have to rip a hole in the fabric of our universe (our dimension) and a hole in that universe/dimension which would take an incredible amount of energy, much more than a human would be able to harness. Talking is different, not much is known about the walls of our universe except that to destroy them would take a lot of energy, you might be able to talk through the walls, like yelling through a piece of corrugated cardboard, made out of pure matter and plasma. Good Luck!

So, we as humans experience three dimensions of space and one dimension of time. There are theoretically many more. I'm not sure why people are saying you need to "rip the fabric of reality" in this dimension and the one you are attempting to access. This is pseudoscientific woo taken from the pages of science fiction and fantasy, with nothing to support it in science or magick.

There is very little practical research done that we can refer to, but from my own study and experimentation, alternate realities are reached by "bending" them in toward you to align for a brief time with your own dimension and your perceptions thereof. Astral Projection, deep introspective meditation/trance/hypnotism, use of entheogenic substances, and ecstatic magick are just a few of the methods commonly used to attempt such a bending of reality.

I'm talking about opening a hole into a dimension to talk or travel through it. Bending sounds like it should work too, lots of legends about a gateway where there are two places in the same place and that can transport you between them (Might just be fiction, not sure)

Oh. Well I'm not talking about that.

I found this of interest to me and I believe I can offer a different perspective but to understand you need three things.

First you need to realize that there is no limit of energy our spirits can use.

Second the knowledge that infinite is much much more than our minds can handle if we choose to keep them tethered to our physical plane.

And Three the understanding that there are no other realms or times and that the entirety of the cosmos exists and happens all at once and in the same place.

And so a question I must ask of you what do you seek to gain.

Side - assuming you're discussing ceremonial magic quite ironically the coven/group you're looking for is Higher Magicks. )

Hope this helped.

kalimanus almost hit the nail on the head

but he talked about bending reality toward us
thats not really how it works

you have to consider that we are beings of the universe
we are so used to thinking in physical terms that we would bend a metal bar to our will, iits just not the case with this stuff

how do i best explain this...
we as spiritual beings are the culmination of our experiences in our current life and past ones but we are a part of the universe in multiple planes wether we are conciously aware of it or not
the universe is experiencing itself through us, when you start to understand this, you dont bend reality to your will
your will bends you around reality, think of the universe wanting to go and visit one of its siblings
well the whole universe can't go, so we go for it.

I'd like to take a scientific standpoint for a second, mostly because I believe both Magick and science are intertwined. There is a theoretical instance called a wormhole. Wormholes are connetion point between either two planes of existence, referred to as intra-dimensional, or between two points on the same plane, called inter-dimensional. The reason this is able to happen is using black and white holes, black holes are comprised of incredibly tightly packed matter, which gives it incredible gravitational pull, so much so that light can't even escape it's pull. This is the only known way to travel between planes and already it proves impossible as you'd need the entire mass of Jupiter in order to form a black hoe that's a meter in diameter, it also wouldn't be there for long as black holes are very unstable. Then we come to white holes, the theoretical exits of wormholes, these have intense reverse gravity (The best explanation I found is that if you were to push a white hole, it would move towards you) because of the strange nature, you would need exotic matter, which is highly dangerous and theoretically impossible to create. You would also need a black hole to form in the correct position on our plane as a white hole of the other plane. Therefore, intra-dimensional travel is highly unlikely and could destroy our own universe. As I said before, trying to pass through planes of existence would require ripping a hole in the fabric of our reality, though I do agree with bending planes closer, though I don't know how hard it is to push hyperspace.

it sounds like the core of the disconnect going on here is indeed in the assumed methods of connecting with alternative dimensional spaces. it seems like people are assuming through physical means like generating a physically usable portal to step sideways and disappear 'here' to reappear ' somewhere else'. And in stating that is currently an impossibility, that is correct. Science has not yet progressed far enough to make that feasible.

However, others are assuming that you are referring to a spiritual or energetic connection. Such as channeling energy or astral travel. In which case they too are also correct. it is possible to shift your consciousness and awareness towards other planes of existence. Practitioners do it all the time. Connecting to the higher self, connecting with a Deity and their energies, Calling on the energy of the elements, Channeling healing energy through higher vibratory planes, and so on are all possible through esoteric principles and exercises.

So, both parties are right within their own perspectives.

As far as if there are any covens dedicated to this sort of practice, Like others have said who have been around longer than myself, Not that I am aware of. but not to worry it is not for any specific reason like cost or politics. more because one has not been necessary. because it is used so globally, it is safe to say that such ideas exist in every coven through one method or another. It isn't really something specialized in because it is a component of many practices. ...it would be similar to asking if there is a coven dedicated solely to circles and runes. it is prevalent enough to be utilized in many places and many ways, but the technique itself is more of a general principle than a possible core of any single practice.