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Ok this will take me a while to go through, I am not here to argue I am only going to tell you HOW I came to this path..... I am a truth seeker. I investigate conspiracies. It has come to my findings that most of the major world leaders and what not throughout time have been involved with secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rosicrucians, Golden Dawn, OTO, Skull and Bones, Jesuits, Knights of Malta, Electric Hellfire Clubs, Vril Society, and many many more...

I have also concluded that our entire history, as well as the next million years, has been pre-planned, it's all scripted. They gave us all religions, be it Christianity, Islam, Budhism, Hindu, Jainism, Paganism, Satanism, Judaism, w/e, as it is all the same religion when you get to the top, same religion hidden in allegories and symbols. What we're looking at is a business plan. An "Age" is 2160 yrs (also called a Platonic Year after Plato). We are at the end of the Age of Pisces (Christianity) and entering into the Age of Aquarius (New Age, theosophy). Next stage of the plan... For we are all slaves in this global slave pen....

I am not asking anyone to agree with me here, I am only here to share with you my concerns and to ask of some advice..... For a while I have been skeptical of getting into ritual magic, seeing the obvious freemason implications with such ritual quotes as for example "as above, so below." I have lightly dabbled in this in the past, before I figured all of this out.... And I am trying to be careful not to fall into what I find to be some new age sensationalistic nonsense. But I do think there may be some truth to magic, beyond all this new age "your aura is glowing" junk. And I find this quite possibly, the only road to higher spiritual knowledge. But, I am still a bit skeptical, as I am somewhat afraid I may be playing with forces I can't begin to even comprehend, and I do not wish to sell my soul, or to put it into bondage via come magical contract. So, I have decided to tread carefully.

I am not into any of this wicca or none of the neo-pagan stuff or anything like that, or anything that just sounds too rediculous to believe, such as "my aura is glowing.."... While I do not plan on using such magic to harm innocent people, I also will not be bound by what I feel is new age sensationalist dogma or needless restrictions. Most of the stuff they feed to the masses is crap IMO, it's a watered down new age sugar pill, but real stuff may be out there.. I know that the elites practice with higher levels of this stuff that isn't available to the masses.. Once again, it is not my intention to offend anyone, it's fine by me if you disagree with me, we can agree to disagree. I'm not here to look down on anyone either.

I had lightly dabbled with magic before but I barely did anything with it, my mentor if you will, was pretty experienced at it and he was a Crowley Satanist... This was way before I knew any of the stuff I know now though.... But he said the same thing too, that a lot of the stuff put in bookstores and what not is crap... But that there is good material out there.

My question is, where should I start for learning magic? Any books anyone can recommend?

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I am mainly interested in knowledge, and seeking truth. I'm like the biggest damn truth junkie in the world. I've done exposed COINTELPRO and the fake "truth movement" and all the false prophets and gurus put out to mislead would-be truth seekers and shephard them back into the fold, I exposed this all right off the hinges and I am now putting out information nobody else has touched on. Now I want to tackle the big questions, higher spiritual knowledge, the soul, the origins of the universe, the afterlife, etc... Magic may be the door in...

For you I would recommend meditation and reflection first.. then read some Cunningham, his works are easy to comprehend.. wiccan based, but just as well, any specific path can be soundly replaced by the word "mystic" for strict learning purposes. Don't think you can actually sell your soul either.. Have fun on your path for the truth, I know I am, :D

I would recommend (due to your concerns) that you look into the more tribal spiritualism. Native Americans, Indo-European tribes, etc. Surely they aren't among the religions you feel are used as means to control, and all of them used magick and are not at all neo pagan. You do still need to watch out for those claiming to be "shamans" or "druids".

Such tribes were seen as "savage" and outcasted from the "civilized people" which is an irony in itself. But that's another topic altogether.

I would also recommend meditation, becoming more attuned with energy/spirits, and astral projection in that order. Seeking your own answers may be what you will feel most comfortable with, seeing that you have a few trust issues, what is easier to trust than your own personal experiences? =p

Stimulating first post. I have also known all this you have put there for some time now, and I hope you an extrapolate on how you brought down such things, as I find myself powerless to do anything about any of it. I am a "truth-seeker" as well, as you put it, and I've found the works of Aleister Crowley to be quite stimulating and quite true. Try reading "The Book of Thoth" to gain an understanding of the universe, and it's workings. Also, "Initiation to Hermetics" by Franz Bardon might be a good starting point for you to get into magic, as he explained things very realisitic-like, and it will help you understand basic magical principals, and will ready you for magical workings of your own. Trust me, as most stuff of the shelves are bullshit, these are not. =]

Hi,

welcome to the forum community. I myself have researched different organistions and societies extensively. Maybe we could brainstorm together. But, personally magick from a scientist perspective without religion isn't really a good idea. Maybe your looking more parapsychology rather than magick. Though I assure you that real stuff is out there. I recommend Chris Penczak's books are great. But they are more from a spiritual perspective, although believe magick should be practiced by all no matter there religion.

Yeah, Crowley has some interesting work, one book I figured I'd try to get (even if I have to get a pdf offline because it's too expensive in the book stores) is "Magick in Theory and Practice." Crowley though did work for MI6, British Intelligence. And was a very high ranking freemason (Lavey also had connections to the intelligence community, hell I'm pretty sure almost all of them did).... But then again most all the books I read were written by insiders, elites themselves... It's always been an open conspiracy, I could even take you back to what Plato wrote in his days (those ancient Greek philosophers were like the Bushs and Clintons and Obamas of their day)... Thanks for the insight...

Yeah, actually you'd be surprised, many of the Native tribes (not all though) were already infiltrated prior to the white settlers even showing up... Particularly if you look at the Aztecs, who were quite brutal conquerors of other tribes, who worshipped a sun god (like the Egyptians), which is a major part of the elites' mystery religion (you see this too on the Japanese flag). The Incas and mayas are other good examples of this...

Technology has been weaponized against us, however I honestly do not think that we need to get rid of technology.... Reason being is because if we go back to hunting and gathering, we are in the most brutal and tyrannical system of all, nature, which made hierarchy an evolutionary survival mechanism. This hierarchy is what lead to slavery, "civilization." I am an anarchist.... But that would take me a whole nother discussion to get into, there's much more too this.

As controversial as this may be, most all your cointelpro agents are promoting 2 things in common, theosophical belief systems, and matriarchy, in a day and age where men are being totally pushed out and flushed down the toilet... In today's society men are the bigger victims of sexism, you see this in courts, advertisements, hell nearly all walks of life. But ultimately everyone will be a victim to this agenda... They want a matriarchy because (in general, statistically speaking) women are more susceptible to authoritarianism... The folks at the top though actually hate women, theyr men, but they hate women, theyr just using women for an agenda.... So theyr trying to paint the road to ancient wisdom to lead into matriarchy and fooling society (guys included) into believing women are a morally and intellectually superior gender. But the idea of a superior gender is as assinine as the idea of a superior race. Nobody rightly belongs above anybody, we as a species need to evolve past hierarchy......

I will take a look at some of those books you mentioned. Thanks for the advice.

A good short cut to figuring much of this stuff out, is a guy named Alan Watt (not Alan Watts, Alan Watt, with no "s" at the end). Here is his link:

http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/

He is a shill, I exposed him, however, 90% of his information is truth, but there's also a lot he leaves out.... But he used to reference a lot of the books I was talking about, those written by the elites... I could give you a long list of them.

See they need to use controlled opposition, to tear down the old system to bring in the new system (they knew there would be some people who wouldn't buy the official story so they gave them "alternative" leaders to follow), which will be even more tyrannical (not that the current system is any good though-- it lead to all this). But by using controlled opposition, they can allow the people to THINK they are defeating the NWO when in reality they are rolling out the red carpet to bring it in. "Order through Chaos." So they give you names like Alex Jones, David Icke, Michael Tsarion, Credo Mutwa, Peter Joseph, Alan Watt, and tons of others, who are bought-and-paid by the system, to give you some truth in order to sell you lies and/or hidden agendas, to send you further down the rabbit hole.