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i thought magick and religion went hand in hand

you know i can't count the times in chat where i myself has tried to end a religious debate. Magick and religion do not go hand in hand. Magick is the manipulation of the energy around you and religion is something you have personal faith and belief in. It does no good arguing about religion as we all have free will and our own opinions. Religion is a personal right, we can choose to have it or not. Personally I am not religious but I am spiritual and this subject has no bearing on me, I'm just tired of being dragged into debates. To me this is the same as arguing over the name of deity, which we all know deities go by many names and pantheons. So lets all grow up and not indulge in meaningless arguments and focus on what this site is about, MAGICK. That is what we need to be learning here.

Being theoretical and being practical half the time. . . I am still indecisive. Instead of arguing, I always give my friends advice, when they ask me for help. I tell them that they need to speak up. People need to have courage, when "fighting." The truth is, to stop a fight, one has to show and tell his or her feelings. I mean that's what I tell them, if they want to move on, in life. Perhaps, we should tell each other how we feel. I tell people the only way that they will get over someone that has hurt them, is if they tell them face to face, or directly. It is the only way to find closure, between two parties: telling each other how they feel.

One has to realize that christians didn't receive Jesus, nor did the world, for peace. In fact, they the world, and christians were given a "sword," if they so choose so to use, against the "spiritually dead" that would hate people that claim to live a certain life style.

OK, just listen, I am trying to explain christians, alright? Then I will explain Satanists. Then I will tell you how I feel, so this should settle it once and for all, theoretically. LOL!

A christian's God is actually three into one: the father, the son and the holy ghost/spirit. No, not three gods into one, but three into one. A christian that is reborn that walks the line of a christian life style, is supposed to be dead to the "fruits of the flesh." Christians are concerned about character, or about Godly things that the physical can't have by only material possessions, or Earthly things. With that said, a christian isn't supposed to judge. They are supposed to be understanding, and should understand what and who it is that they are fighting, when they are trying to either "fight" "wickedness" or "save" the spiritually dead. When a christian experiences a reborn experience this means that things change to a point in his or her life, that they then hand up their problems through the son, jesus christ. Then the holy ghost resides, in that person. A christian's body is supposed to be dead to the fruits of the flesh, so this means that their body's are to be temple's for the holy ghost to reside in. Which means no defilement, no intoxication, or anything like that. The father, of the christian god, Yahweh, is a jealous god because he is the creator, and wants everyone to follow his word, but only through his son, jesus. When a christian accepts jesus, and hands their problems up to him, then the holy spirit dwells in that person. A christian is supposed to be the sign of jesus. It is said that Jesus stated that a person is either with him or against him. A Satanist and a Christian both have one thing in common: being either hot or cold--this or that(no in between).

A Satanist is supposed to dwell in the fruits of the flesh, so go figure. As such, a person is supposed to be concerned with their well being, or mortality, of this world; thus, submitting to the God of this world, which is Satan. Of course, this is a biblical and from other stand points. Remember there is no in between, when talking about the christian and the satanist, or even separately. Well, I don't think there is really nothing to stress about, with Satanists. A Satanist is all about self-deification, and a bonding of Lilith and Sameal as one. Sameal is Satan, and Lilith is Satan's wife; thus, here is the King and the Queen of the Underworld. This physical world, and the world beneath is supposed to be the home of a Satanist, then reincarnation(Life, death; rebirth).

A christian's book, the holy bible, is actually filled with Yahweh's word. His word is all about how to defeat this understanding that christians understand about what is bad, in this world, or in their eye "evil." Then when a christian's time is up, and they served Yahweh well, and through Jesus, most importantly, and are filled with the holy ghost, they then live the second life. They enter into heaven, and great is their reward in that place.

I used to be a christian, and I still know the raw words of Yahweh, just like any demon would, in theory! Big deal, I believe in Yahweh, so I know He exists, or at least I think I do. I used to pray to Yahweh on what page to flip to in the holy bible, and He showed me the way to the texts that I was looking for. However, I am not a christian anymore. If a christian is worth arguing over, they are the ones that "understand" the world, in theory because they understand the word of the bible, or know the holy bible. Actually a real christian is permitted to physically defend his or her self, in self defense, away from the laws of man, but by the laws of their lord. You see, Satanists see the laws of man, as the law, but christians see the laws of their god as supreme. Christians are filled with joy, love and peace, within themselves for others. So, if a "christian" is judging a person, they are not a real christian, so then they are susceptible to all forms of magic, in this case.

So with all this said, Christians and Satanists are either hot or cold beings. Christians will not settle for peace, until they "save" as much people as possible, and as long as they are able to serve their lord fervently, while in this world. Real christians will hold onto their faith, even when facing death, from persecution. From being all too theoretical, the only thing left to do is be practical, so take what i just said or don't take it. My opinions, my impressions and my perceptions are what I feel, they are what I know; in my head they are cast to stone, but what's said between two may mis-condone each others convictions.

This is what I feel, "Why can't we all get along?" Well, because history is long, and supposedly, mythology is fake, and everyone, in this world, is trying to find clarity. Aren't we all lost?

Oh, and one more thing. I am not into semantics, kind of, but I am more of a realist. Well, that was actually two things. Please don't judge me. . .

Eloff this is not a debate and satanism is not about self indulgence to the flesh there is no judgement for such things to satanists but it is about spiritual enlightenment i know i have been studying it.

This bickering is exactly what im talking about its pointless this is a MAGICK SITE and magick should be discussed not religious views

not to mention satanism is an individual religion and is different for each person but still worshipping the same god

"Christians will not settle for peace, until they "save" as much people as possible" from reading this line im starting to think Christianity is in its own form of a parasitic disease

No religion is inherantly one way or the other, its the instituition, the people of the group, that creates tension. Christian teachings and their actions are not always one and the same but this applies to any religion. If you want to judge the church judge the church but don't knock the religion if you don't truely understand it. Religion and magic are barely different if you really study both. Take for instance the prophets and Messiahs of the Abrahamic religions, the Buddhas and boddhisatvas, the mystics and shamans and all the practioners of the old ways and their abilities and communication with their higher powers and you'll realize its all the same song with different words. Little people know meditation, prayer, hyms and ohms activate similar parts of the brain related to psychic and spiritual phenom. The difference is in the interpretation of their experiences based on the traditions and ways of the people. At the end of the day you can call it what you want but at the end of the day these words are just words and utterly meaningless to the powers that may be. No greater being will care of what terminology you used or stories you believed, your actions are the only merit that gives your soul worth and that's all there is to it.

There are three things for a person not to talk about, if they don't want any trouble. The three things are: "religion," politics and gossip. Mixing politics, what is right and what is wrong, with religion can be a bit tricky. Gossip has to do with the individual, or a subgroup. That is all of what these three touchy subjects are: bickering. They all go hand-in-hand. It is only bickering, when one does not agree with the other. What have we just done? Did we mix politics with "religion." Did we gossip? I really don't know. I don't know.

From the very essence of this discussion, I don't like it when people haze me, either, I don't like it when people say what is right or what is wrong about my path, either; I don't like it when people try to tell me who my God is, either. When people do these kinds of things, it makes me all tangled up, and stark and dark, inside(To me, or to my path). :'(

In the mean time, I try to ignore the negative aspects of these kinds of things. Anyone's black magic is not usually worth the hassle: fighting.

"Do what thou wilt. Shall be the whole of the law" Alister Crowley

I'm sick of you guys insulting my religion.

Do you know who is responsible for the most non-profit medical organizations? Yes, the Christian Church.

Do you know who is the leader in establishing schools in 3rd world countries? Right again, the Christian Church.

So whether you like it or not, your religions do basically nothing good for the world. At least I don't see you Satanists devoting your lives to helping others in the world. So shut up unless you plan on doing something good with your religion.

Come now, that's hardly a fair statement. I see that you are frustrated and feeling attacked, but that's no reason to engage in hurtful and blatantly false counter-attacks on other religions.

I agree that there are several individuals on this site who, knowingly or otherwise, seem to hold some degree of anti-christian sentiments. They think we are oppressive, close-minded, controlling, self-righteous, conceited, and any number of similar negative terms.

You just justified their belief, LuxAngelici.