I understand your way of thinking, you wish to explain things with the scientific way, both do I, and that is why I create theories to explain magick.
But do not make the same mistake as most scientists does today, do not have the attiude "Nothing exists unless it is proved". It is like you are suggesting that your mind can explain every little thing just from nowhere. Its not working like that.
Magick is very real, it has to do with the effect of the will (name it electromagnetic waves if you wish to do so) to the enviroment. Some things are really fairytales, but main magick is real. It is possible to bring changes though rituals, spells and other. Magick is a science and an art. It has been practised for more years than you can count. Just think like that, do you think that for so many ages people lived under dellusions? That they could now understand the difference between real and false?
Know that you are not the first one who makes these questions. Magick was very known once, but now most scientists became skeptics (with the bad meaning word). They do their best to disprove something they can not explain, and only when they have no other choice, they start to make theories abou it.
They do not hesitate to call mad or irational any human who has a different opinion.
If you want to find out the truth, do not do it with the skeptic method, but with the real scientific one. Get into magick, read its laws, know that belief is important, do not cast a spell to see if it will work, it propably wont. Mind plays an important role.
I had the same doupts with you, but I followed the above. I did not start practising magick saying "I will believe if it works". Rather I said "If it wont work, then I will stop believing". Up to this day, the spells that did not worked are limited. And that because I found that I ve done something wrong.
As I told you before, magick is a science. As a science, it means that every expiriment done correctly should have the respective results.
Its ironic although that if an expiriment in chemistry doesn't have the expected results, scientists believe that there was something wrong in the proccedure while when a spell does not work, they completly reject it's possibility.
Speaking of summoning, if you want to see if magick works, you better start with more simple things. Summoning can be dangerous and is considered complex magick. Futhermore, to have results in summoning, you need to posses already some spiritual skills (Such as astral vision, so you can see the spirits). There are much more simple and safe spells to work on if you are interested. Just stay away from summoning right now.
Excellent post mercurius , Yajra009 . I agree greatly . You put forth what I was trying to say in my previous post with much more clarity and efficiency .
As mercurious said , science is using the wrong approach to study magick . And because of this approach , science will never learn anything more about magick other than useless , tiny and superfiecial degrees of information regarding magick , in my opinion . There are many topics in the arcane arts and even if science were to devote 20 to 30 years to a topic using that particular approach , they will never finish studying it and probrably that time spent would also still be gained superficial information , that's what I personally believe .
Perhaps in a million years , science can fully unravel it ..but even so I still have my doubts
I am a Woman of Science actually, though unlike most of my colleagues, I am willing to look deeper for the truth. My Sense of Wonder and Discovery is great, enough so I've been looking into this "Third Eye" Phenomena, and even trying meditative practices open it before I proceed with investigating these beings, as I already know things moving around and falling over is not going to be enough to convince, I'll need to see things.
I am open to this because I know we don't understand the brain and only use a very small amount of it, but I wonder if I am successful and I come to see what you all seem to see if I could be the first to bridge the gap between true Science and metaphysics. Its a bit exciting to me, as I have already noticed with my meditation experiments I feel I perceive things clearer even though I do not yet see colors or shapes with my eyes closed.
Regardless, somehow this is turning into a personal journey, and less a clinical investigation, and that is a bit disconcerting, Science is not suppose to be about personal journeys, but logic and reason.
I will add though, I've always felt "something". Others have always told me my will is very strong, and indeed its made me a natural leader. Also, I am capable of great focus, so intently on things like my work everything else around me fades away. I always thought it was just passion, but after reading about these things, it sounds like I might have always been going into meditative trances without even knowing it. When I was young, I knew a coven of Wiccans, though I always thought they where a bit crazy admittedly, even though they tried to convince me I am strong in spirit and should join them.
I will however leave summoning for now and focus on learning and trying to open my mind more. I honestly believe alot of things can be explained with Science, as it advances, there use to be a time where science through Lightning/Electricity was magic, and dimensions to be imagination but we have made it to where Science accepts there are planes beyond ours, though I will confess many Scientists are frustrated nowadays because they are having difficulty seeing into other dimensions. Our experiments show energy crosses between them, we even know gravity does and believe there is an entire dimension for gravity that seeps into our dimension.
So don't discount us yet, we are getting there, and perhaps if more scientists are like me, willing to learn and try to open their mind to these things, there may be a day where Science and Magic converge.
For hamanic travelling or astral projection , you do not need to be able to do it . Studying it itself will aide you greatly in your research , I believe
It is but dangerouse. And wont work if you dont believe. The power of the mind and will power is what makes magic real. If you tell yourself your being silly it wont work then it wont. Its like as a kid in gym telling yourself youll never hit the ball walking to the base your not going to.but saying you will makes olit true
I don't think its so silly anymore, I have had I think brief experiences I have not been able to figure out, part of me wants to think its hallucinations or something triggered by the Pineal gland which I am led to believe is stimulated when you focus on your third eye.
I think while I was meditating, and I swore I saw a bright flash and for a brief moment, I was looking at my fish tank, but it was like through a old grainy video camcorder, while my eyes where closed. Then I could have sworn I've heard been hearing voices, but like when your switching through radio stations and only part of the voice comes in briefly between the static, though I was not even trying to do anything at the time.
I find I cant explain either of those things, and its a bit frightening to think these things actually happened. Still, I am resolved to go through with this, and find out the truth.
"I think while I was meditating, and I swore I saw a bright flash and for a brief moment, I was looking at my fish tank, but it was like through a old grainy video camcorder, while my eyes where closed. Then I could have sworn I've heard been hearing voices, but like when your switching through radio stations and only part of the voice comes in briefly between the static, though I was not even trying to do anything at the time."
-->>they are not ghosts or whatever, the noises you are hearing are the noises of your brain.. being much more aware about yourself makes you more aware about the noises of your brain.. the different thoughts that are coming in and out of your mind.. why? because as what you have said, you are trying to explain everything.. learn to tame first your mind by doing void meditation..
in doing void meditation, you must think that you are not thinking at all.. try to make sure that your mind is empty.. in this manner you will learn to discipline your mind and make you focus more about a single thought at one time..
