Haha Lightsoldier, darkness and light, do not mean evil and good you know, only from chaos does order arise, only from mistakes do we learn. I am not a satanist, but seriously, darkness is not all that bad, it just means its another shade of colour..
Like.. black and white.. and if you're taking darkness as bad, its like talking about a dark-coloured skin person being bad, and that's RACISM!
And I agree with the scapegoat bit. No one accepts anything, they always blame others. Be proud of your mistakes, it is only from mistakes that we learn, as long as it doesn't affect others, if we don't make mistakes, we don't learn. If we don't make mistakes, does it mean we're perfect, "Just like god", except its always "Christian-Satan"'s fault that we apparently "go on the wrong path"?
You are puting words in my mouth. I was not talking about a color or shade, but a feeling. That darkness I am referring to is a force. Anyway there is alwas an influence on choice ether it is external or internal. You just have to make the choice that is from the heart, thats what I came to believe in.
ok, really, samael, your religion is tied in to all others, because in truth, all religions and beliefs are tied, and your is no different
second, we dont fully understand the truth,
we do not know if satan, or Sataneal, is good or bad, evil or not
what we understand is that he is a being that, in most religions, expecially early religions that started during a period where spirituality was very string, they portray Satan as evil, and if so, you have to understand as to why
Satanism didnt even start until modern times, and even back in the days of magic, most portrayed satan as an evil being
second, obviously he holds a majority of intelligence, for he is portrayed as once being the arch angel of intelligence, therefore he is in some standards, a very intelligent being.
another point i would like to make is that, darkness and light may not be the same as good and evil, but they are highly compared,
so if you want to get technical, my friend, light soldier, means good and evil
and comments on the idea of comparing racism is really naive
You all have to understand there is a reason that a curten religons are powerfull or not. The spirital world has a lot of influence on us whether we like it or not. Im not trying to force anyone into believeing want I do I am just alowing you to choise if you believe me or not.
You cannot simply make a statement like "your religion is tied in to all others, because in truth, all religions and beliefs are tired and your is no different", claim it for truth and then not prove it. Not truth, that is your opinion. I disagree with your opinion. That's how things work, facts are facts only when they have been conclusively proven.
Satanael is a figure in Satanism. You talk of Satan, who's earliest appearance is in Judaism. Judaism is not an old religion really, it's just a very old one that still survives and thrives. Ah, bit of internal rhyme for you;)
Judaism did not really stress Satan being of great evil, that was Christianity. Yes, he was presented as an evil figure but not to the extent as in Christianity, he was more of a required figure in Judaism.
In fact, a very early religion-that of the Sumerian's-portrays the figure closest to "Satan", Enki as, by your definition, "good". Google Enki for more information, and "Enki Satan comparisons" should come up with the kind of information I am talking about. Satanism's figure of Satanael is far closer to Enki than "Satan".
Now, none of you seem to be getting this point, so I will emphasise it
SATANISM IS BASED UPON THE FIGURE SATANAEL. SATANAEL IS NOT SATAN.
I repeat:
SATANAEL
IS
NOT
SATAN
Get it?
SATANAEL. IS. NOT. SATAN
One more time
SATANAEL
IS
NOT
SATAN
Hopefully that has sunk in by now. The figure I am talking about is not your Devil figure. Satanael is a figure of Satanism, Satan a figure of Christianity. Satanism and Christianity are very separate religions, you confuse Satanism with Devil-Worshiping and other paths, of which we are no part. SATANISM IS NOT AN OFFBRANCH OF CHRISTIANITY. SATANAEL IS NOT YOUR DEVIL. SATANAEL IS NOT SATAN. SATANISM IS NOT ABOUT SATAN. SATANISTS DO NO BELIEVE IN SATAN.
Understand? You can retain your Christian beliefs, that is fine. I hope you find furfillment in them:) And I retain my Satanic. Our religions are not connected, they are entirely different. The figure of which you talk, Satan, is part of your religion. My religion, Satanism, does not believe in any of your Christain figures, including Satan. We believe in a figure we commonly call Satanael. I hope this post has finally cleared things up.
darkked and Light Soldier you two always start talk about something way different from the subject. Leave this people alone,they have nothing to do with your religion or beliefs!
You put us as someone who is trying to fight you. I see us as someone who is also trying to teach. I never said your sataneal is like my satan, all I wanted to know was what as the diffentce. And I thank you for giving that information to me. All I was doing was giveing my opinion on my satan, not your sataneal. I am sorry if I cuse any of you anger, it was not my intentions, I was try to just give my opinion that is all, for that I am sorry.
If I may, I think the reason, LightSoldier, that when you spoke with Satan he seemed so negative to you, is how the human mind interprets things. Everyone's views on life, what they define as "reality", is subjective. It is highly personal and subject to interpretation. If one believes in good and evil, it would be detrimental to their view of reality NOT to have that confirmed. That's potentially dangerous for the individual, and so the mind does what it can to keep things in order.
Why would we choose Satan over Yahweh? Well, we don't believe in a "our god vs. your god" scenario. When we see Christianity, we see a religion in the guise of good, that is subtlely unhealthy. How most Christians percieve the devil is how we percieve Yahweh. It doesn't make sense to us, to create humans with a set behavior, and then tell them not to follow that natural behavior. You may want to look into some sects of Gnosticism, as this will paint a clearer picture. Because of stuff like this, we dismiss Christianity and its god, along with all other similar religions.
In our world-view, there is only Satan, whatever the name, be it Lucifer or Satanael, be it a literal entity or the personification of a force in and of Nature.
I hope I've helped and not added confusion, and I thank you for being respectful and honest in your questions...if only there were more Christians like you! =)
