Demons

"What I know of demons, they can be evil. They are also very hard to trust... They do sometimes make good protectors. But what I believe of demons is that they are made up of negative energy, making them more dark and gloomy then another. But I also think there are many different levels and types of demons...just like everything else. I don't know much about them, but there is my opinion so far. "
^------LilWindStorm

Other than the "made up of negative energy part" you are correct. ^-^ But as I have said previously, light and darkness does not equate to good and evil and now I add positive and negative to that. Darkness is as positive and negative as light is. The light can burn and protect, the dark can smother and protect. It is really based on whether you allow superstition and dogma to control you and your mind or free yourself so that you can come to a better understanding, a closer understanding to the way the world is. It is a *lot* easier to call things black and white rather than as different shades of grey. It is easier because it categorizes the world, it allows us to "blame the bad guy", and it fits in with what we have been raised to think. ^-^ Open your mind and you will change and grow. Keep it closed and you are limiting yourself.

[Forgive me anyone whom I have offended with this, this is simply my opinion as to the reasons why people choose the good and evil, positive and negative, as light and darkness, white and black, view of the world.]

I didn't say darkness was good. I said it wasn't bad.

People are afraid of the dark, because it is the embodiment of their deepest fears of both the unknown, and themselves. Many people would rather call it "bad and evil" than actually have to face themselves or admitt and accept there are things they aren't meant to understand.

You need both. Light and Dark. Both can heal, both can kill. The "Rede" has nothing to do with this as Wicca is not the only path, nor the correct path. Simply a path that is what some folks need.

Said what you don't realize is that shadows arent darkness and the sun isnt light. The sun is a representation of the god and fire if we really wanted to talk about that, and yes fire burns. Caves are a representation of earth, shadows are a part of earth, they are not darkness, nor are they light, for the are just molecules of energy, neither negative nor positive.

And never, as for the rede, it is the path we are ALL supposed to take, the NUMBER ONE RULE for ALL witches. But we have free will, and some people choose the dark path over the path of light.

"And never, as for the rede, it is the path we are ALL supposed to take, the NUMBER ONE RULE for ALL witches. But we have free will, and some people choose the dark path over the path of light. " - karma13

No it is not, now you are forcing your views onto other people. The rede is a guideline set by wiccans FOR wiccans, basically you are saying EVERYONE should be wiccans, no they shouldn't. and as for choosing darkness over light, just because someone doesn't follow the rede what gives you the right to say they are on the "dark path"?. Let me ask you something, If someone hurt you, your family, small child, cute puppy, or whatever, what will YOU do?...give them a hug? i dont think so...

"Said what you don't realize is that shadows arent darkness and the sun isnt light. The sun is a representation of the god and fire if we really wanted to talk about that, and yes fire burns. Caves are a representation of earth, shadows are a part of earth, they are not darkness, nor are they light, for the are just molecules of energy, neither negative nor positive.

And never, as for the rede, it is the path we are ALL supposed to take, the NUMBER ONE RULE for ALL witches. But we have free will, and some people choose the dark path over the path of light."
^----karma13

First off, sun begets light. Otherwise the world would be in darkness broken only by the light of the stars. Shadows are the absence of light, where light does not reach and therefore, a representation of darkness. If someone where to spend 5weeks without light they would go permanently blind, however if you stare at white snow on a sunny day you can also go blind. The sun may be considered to be a representation of fire, however in the end it brings both light and heat into the world and therefore is also a representation of light. Caves are a representation of the earth, but within them there is no natural light that is created outside of the bit of the opennings within it. And therefore a cave can also be used to represent darkness. ^-^ Just because you are set in your ways does not mean that I am set in mine. I can see more sides to things than some people can because I allow myself such a freedom. It is what let's me see where you are coming from and it is also what allows me to show you your arguement is incomplete.

Darkness and Light are also neutral in that they, like magic, are just forms of energy within the world. Yes, they are opposing forms, however, they are still not positive and negative. In the end it is really whether you allow what you have been told and shown what is evil and what is good, or whether you allow to see the two for what they are, simply forms of energy.

Now, for that second part, no offense, but you sound alot like those who call Wiccans devil worshippers because they don't worship the Lord Almighty God. ^-^ Sorry, but if you believe they are wrong for doing that, you are doing the same to those of us who do not follow the rede. The rede is a guideline. It is one that cannot be followed by any living being. "Harm none do as ye will". Now, at first, this may *seem* easy, but in fact it is impossible to follow. Tell me karma13, do you eat at all? In order to eat, something must die, whether it be plant or animal. You harm something to live, even if it is not directly you you do so. Or perhaps you never laughed at someone for being foolish, that to is harming because you have harmed their feelings. Roflmbo [rolling on the floor laughing my butt off] . Actually, with that comment you are considered to have broken the rede which you hold so dear in that you have hurt my feelings by calling me and my path dark and implying it is evil with your previous statements on how darkness equates with evil. You have also broken it in that you are attempting to force something on me which I do not accept as true, and for that I cry for you, I truely do. It takes alot to make your own path, regardless of what others think of it, and it saddens me greatly that the pagan/occultist community cannot accept each other as so many other communities cannot.

I would move on, revenge is idiotic, it puts you in a constant circle of revenge, and then you become bitter and hurt. And if you dont follow the rede, you are choosing the path of darkness because YOU ARE CHOOSING TO HARM.

No your not, i dont follow the rede i dont follow anything but my own senses, i dont harm unless attacked, am i evil? according to you i am, but i'm not. so just because people dont follow the rede doesnt give you the right to title them evil.

"The sun may be considered to be a representation of fire, however in the end it brings both light and heat into the world and therefore is also a representation of light"

Said you do not understand that it is not the light huurting us, it is the heat, wich you know is a part of the sun. I do eat but i am a vegetarian, and it is not harming if you grow your own food, putting in your own energy into everything you plant and then thanking the goddess for you food. If you analyze the rede in depth, it stated you cannot Harm a living thing. By harm it means to hurt as you know, but it doesnt mean by hurting feelings, it means by hitting, putting spells on, and many things like that to other people, plants, and animals. I am not forcing you to follow the rede, but it is not just a guidline, it's the law all witches, and you are a witch, are supposed to follow. And i am not set in my ways, do i not still learn, is magick not constantly evolving. Darkness and Light are not neutral energy, they are living things constantly fighting, you cannot see them for they are on the astral plane. Just because you allow yourself freedom, which most of us, including me, allow ourselves, does not make you better, nor wiser about the subject, nor does it make me wiser about the subject. But i have studied these subjects longer, than you have been alive. You are what, 18, you're still young in your years of the craft. So spend more time studying than arguing, and you'll have a much more prosperous life.

so staring at the sun and going blind is from the heat? i figured it was the light, my mistake, not.

Karma, you did not answer my question.

"If someone hurt you, your family, small child, cute puppy, or whatever, what will YOU do?" -Ravendaeus

i doubt you would remain calm.


and as for this:

"You are what, 18, you're still young in your years of the craft. So spend more time studying than arguing, and you'll have a much more prosperous life. " - Karma13

Just because she is young doesnt mean she has less knowledge than you. I am 16, and i used to be a High Priest of a coven on here of 50 people, and i practise high magicks, ceremonial which is advanced. Do not assume because she young that she is less experienced and ignorant. Expressing the age card is a completely ignorant and contraversial thing to do.

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