I like your post a lot, although I do tell some of the newer members claiming to be werewolves or other creatures to give proof or I'll call them fluffies.
i am new to this stuff, and know almost nothing about magic, i have always been interested in magic, bu i have been told over and over that its not real, and tht its impossable, but i never stopped believing. i still need to learn ALOT about magic to understand it, but this was very inspiring to me....i will never stop believing that all of this is real, and this helped me to make this decision=)thank you.
This is an old post I made but I will reference it again. I'll be quoting it directly to save me from needless repitition. Be sure to remove any links that may pop up in the link:
"While it is nice to say motivational things such as " there are no limits but what you put on yourself" I do not think that is always practical or rational. We, as humans, have set limitations. And so when it comes to magick, we have limitations there as well. (And I am not referring to magick's limitations: I believe magick has a potential far above our own). People argue that belief and willpower can alter this. " If you just believe it will work, it will! " or " Well, you just didn't put enough will power into it... are statements I've heard frequently
Self limitation is not the only type of limitation. Because we are human and we do live in this plane and we do live on Earth: the laws of physics, quantum mechanics and other laws apply to us. Would you deny that gravity is an active force, capable of being seen in our day to day life? Pick up an apple and drop it. Did it fall to the ground or float off? A good deal of these laws and applied theorems are observable in everyday life.
And while people like to try and separate science and magick: the two can go together. You do not have to pick either or. And while either can be taken to an extreme, if you hold a sensible view of both it does not necessarily conflict. A quote from someone on the site, today actually, said: " Science and Magick are the same thing, though one is physical and the other not... Science is the physical aspect of Magick and the latter being an etheric form of the former ."
Perhaps some of these things *could* be possible one day, but currently we do not necessarily posses whatever it is that would make them so."
I do agree with you that it is not right to shoot down new members who have high hopes or dreams. I really do not mean to be discouraging when I say that some things are not possible."I think through study and observation we can understand the way things function better and grasp an awareness of the world around us. I truly believe humans to be capable of amazing feats. I believe magick to be potentially limitless, though our use of it may not be so. I believe magick to do wonders as well. I am also not saying that belief is not important. It is! Belief does hold its place in both science and (especially in) magick. Belief can be a good thing."
But the truth is tough to face sometimes. And if you tell someone that "anything is possible" they have a tendency to take it too far and turn fluffy rather than learn. Because we are not capable of current things, that makes them impossible. There are set limitations as we are human, and being so we are affected by the human condition and not capable of current things *right now*.
In the end, people will believe whichever way they believe and I do not think arguing either side will really change anyone's opinion on it. It is one of those things each individual must come to terms with. This is simply my expression of my opinion. Take it as you will.
Vers, I admire your tenacity, but I would like to point out that of all the amazing people's names you mentioned their were millions more who could never do such things. Genius is born not made. Enlightenment is achieved through hard work and dedication, not dreaming and hoping.
However "possible" something may be doesn't make it probable, nor can everyone achieve it. The ones who did worked extremely hard and even suffered to reach the goals they did. These are not things an ordinary person is willing to go through.
Bring up to someone new to magick that to gain such abilities they must go out into a desert for 40 days, or sit under a tree for a week, or toil endlessly day in and out sleeping for only 45min intervals. They won't! That is what Jesus, Buddah and Leo did! People are lazy and would rather dream than do for their goals.
So yes, I will say it is impossible because if they picked up books and used their own minds they wouldn't have to be sitting on a site like this begging for answers to "what is possible?" For them, it is impossible because they want everything served to them on silver platters. Every single name you wrote decided that they would find their own ways, they wouldn't follow anyone elses ways, and they would get it done no matter what the cost. And many died for it, many failed, and those aren't the ones you hear about is it? Food for thought.
I'll continue telling people what their limits are, because if they had the potential of surpassing those limits they would be here to learn how to better themselves spiritually, not how to get what they want in life.
I believe magick to be 'the task of creation, manipulation, or destruction of the things from three worlds (Earth Realm. Astral Realm. Spiritual Realm.) that has no general make-up and thus happens without perfect scientifical reason)
If a person took a lighter and went back a thousand years, the person would be considered a God; being able to make fire freely. It would be believed to be magick at that time, yet us right now know that isn't exactly true.
Magick is like advanced science, for a lack of comparison. I suggest reading "Physics of The Impossible" by Michio Kaku. There is really a very, very VERY limited amount of things that can be done -never- in human future. However, there is not an impossibility of fireballs, teleportation, and time travel. They may be impossible for our time-period, but give humanity a thousand years, and I bet it'll be common knowledge science.
In the past, people believed we would be flying hover cars by now. That never came to fruition. We cannot assume that in the future we will be so advanced as to make the impossible possible. As humans, we may not exponentially go forward in our understanding of the world and our ability to manipulate it.
The probability of these things mentioned in this post are highly unlikely, and unachievable at the current time which makes them impossible.
The definition of impossible from Dictionary.com:
- adjective
1. not capable of being or happening
2. not able to be done
Personally, I am hopeful that in the future our knowledge and understanding of these things will expand. But for the time being, I would prefer to stick to learning about what is already out there. There's so much we have available to learn already, but many people do not take the time to sit and take it in. Newbies need to start with this basic knowledge before jumping ahead into these things mentioned. You cannot build a structured building without first laying a foundation. And this foundation takes time, effort, study, etc.
Perhaps once we finish laying out this foundation, looking into the future and determining what may be achievable then would be a simpler task.
Then by definition, personified, nothing is impossible.
Because even if it is just a theory it is now a possibility.
You and I may not be able to create it, the next 3 billion people to think of it may not complete it, but someone at some point will because it is possible.
And sure by this time we do not have hover cars in the general public. However hover cars do exist if you read the news or look at youtube. As well as multiple unproved theories as to their creation.
And yes Michio Kaku is a very good man to bring up. It may not be physical practice with him but the theory exists, therefore there is possibility.
A theory is a system of ideas intended to explain something. This does not mean the ideas are either wrong or correct.
A scientific theory is based upon a hypothesis which is backed by an overwhelming amount of evidence in favor of said theory, generally having been tested multiple times, but is still not capable of being proven as 100% right.
These are only valid if there is no evidence to dispute it. Thus, theories and possibilities differ.
I do not feel like arguing, because I feel neither of us will be switching our viewpoints.
