Delving into Death

Well it was just my thought. But it is curious that someone would look to see others views

To be honest, I think people go on about ''I have summoned the spirit of my dead great grandmother's auntie's sister'', and claiming to do all these fantastic feats involving death and blah blah blah without understanding the concept of death itself. Without understanding, there is nothing of significance.

Well, if you ask on my perception on death, then let us consider some theorems. Remember that "Energy can never be created nor destroyed, but only transformed" Our soul or rather everything within us is energy, blood and breath is considered life energy, and the soul, spirit, etheric, astral, etc. Is part of the energy or forms of energy that are within our bodies (this is my concept.)
Where do you think that energy goes? The physical energy decays and returns to the earth, what about the soul form? the astral? the psychological? the mental? In my perspective, it would be foolish for one to expect that these energies simply does not exist, for our ascended masters confirmed this, as well as our brothers in "The Great white brotherhood." The Physical fails, because in the future, man will die, then the planet will die, then the sun will die, then the Universe will die. Is there not anything that is everlasting? Nothing true and unexpired? Is there no God particle of which is within us? Of course there is, there must be.

In my perspective, YOU choose where you want to go when you experience death. There are multiple ways in going about this and to explain all would require a volume of it's own. I will summarize my concepts. When one dies, one will believe his/her own perspective of the death experience he or she will experience. If you believe there is a hell, then there will be, if you believe there is no hell then there is none. A Christian Priest remarked that people go to hell, not because God wills them to go there, but because they are guilty of what they have done, at first I thought that it was too far from the truth, but then I took it as a form of truth in words.

We are the ones who will experience the death experience, what we will is what will be, however, in Buddhist theology when one dies usually one's choice of his own path is limited by the karma he has performed in his previous life. If he has done good then he gets good karma, if bad then bad karma. Ceremonial magicians such as I, seek for enlightenment or liberation from this unwillingness to choose. We want to dominate or master the spiritual yet rejoice in the material, or at least that is what it is in Thelema. When one experiences a state of illumination to a degree one will be able to choose the will of his after life freely. He is free to dominate Spirit, and in turn dominates material, He dominates Keter, therefore dominating the entire Tree of Life including Malkuth.

My perception of the after life? It is rather difficult to explain, I am still debating to myself unto which would be most beneficial as a propulsion or energizer to perform more constructive and progressive work on this plane and the next. I have 2 at the moment, 1 is that of the Kabbalists, they believed that we reincarnate 4-6 times usually and in each life we learn a lesson, once that lesson is learned then we die and advance to the next stage of the evolution process. Perfection of the Human soul, marvelous perception is it not? One has to use one's effort to perfection, not by short cuts and fallacies. When one has perfected his soul then he returns to the Godhead or Divinity where both Night and Day are experienced yet unexperienced, where Speech and silence are one and none, where the sun and the moon join in one feral dance in the eclipse yet are eternally seperated. You see, we humans are finite beings, and thus so we may truly never understand the infinite, that is why so many mystics such as Jesus, Buddha, Mohammad, St. Ignatius, etc. Speak of foolishness and prejudice to some degree because the "Truth" is not communicable, the Truth cannot be explained, our language is too weak and feeble, our understanding is too weak and unintelligible. Ceremonial magicians at the same time logicians will have trouble finding their way for the Truth is unequal. The truth is savage yet calm, but one thing is certain, it is not logical or at least it is not in this plane. The truth comes and goes at it's will with no opposing force to weaken or strike it, for all things are composed of it, and it is composed of all things. You cannot convince the truth of Binomial theorems, angle postulates, and logical explanation. It is simply the truth, which is way beyond our finite logic, the Truth is logic beyond all things, it transcends our logic hence becoming illogical to our limited minds. Buddha had a foothold and actually got a clue on how to spread the truth, through experience, The Buddha wanted everyone to attain Nirvana rather than communicating things not to be communicated. There is one rock that skepticism cannot shake, and that is the rock of experience.

My 2nd perception on what happens in the after life, is nothing. Not that we will be terminated, but I do not have the sufficient ability to perceive it or imagine it, and I probably never will. The true salvation in which I will dwell upon is nothing. No place, because it is unimaginable, it is so glorious and so magnificent that one would go mad or insane when given overdosed amounts of it. In this human form, we are limited, In the astral plane as possible by Astral projection, we have a glimpse of our capabilities when we are spiritually released. I do however, can relate a certain speck of this truth, everyone can and with the use of meditation.

In meditation, or deep meditation, one will experience that one is both aware, yet unaware, both aware and unaware, and at the same time not aware and unaware. How can this be? Is this a paradox? Absolutely not, I am not playing words but rather the words are playing me, discussion of even a minute portion of the magnificence of the truth can baffle even the most imaginative and knowledgeable poets, confuse the most intelligent and experienced men, and leave the old sages and wise ones to ponder and meditate upon it's simple oracles.

As in the Magical Formulae which may also be called the Alchemical Formula, I-A-O. Isis, which is life, that which we are experiencing now, that which we live yet this is only the beginning of all things. It is Life, but not true life. Apophis, Death, which is the state of despair and temporary sorrow, only to emerge an enlightened butterfly within the cocoon of limit. Apophis is like that feeling during deep focus meditation where one feels the dryness, the frustration, the willingness to quit and stop, but woe to the man who stops before reaching the peak of that summit for he will never know what lies at the top. Osiris, Rebirth, It is Life again, the True life. Life in which transcends the previous temporary life and harsh death. This is Enlightenment, Nirvana, Ascension, Transcendence, Eternal Bliss, etc. This is the trance state in meditation, the state in which one becomes silenced, when the universe flows within him and is in harmony with all things. One has bliss, happiness, harmony, without the use of any material stimulation to cause this unending happiness. It is you, yourself, that is True happiness.

Amen to all 93!

As for the works of necromancy of which you had spoken of beforehand, I particularly frown upon it. When one dies, he is supposed to evolve spiritually, and in order for that person to advance forward through the spiritual evolutionary stages, he would need all he had before he died, except the "Ruach" or the temporary and unneeded things like the body, memory, etc. (You can research of the Ruach in the Tree of Life yourselves.) The part in which you are "summoning" is a savage part of the individual, one which has no consciousness, no will, no value of any sort usable. Although it is as such, it is still needed by the individual who will progress spiritually, doing such methods as summoning a particular deceased loved one, would interrupt the evolutionary process, and even when you do make contact, you are talking to a shade of a love one, you are speaking to a part of that person (a very insignificant part in the physical plane and vital in the spiritual plane.) Thus, I frown upon necromancy, There are many beliefs regarding this subject and I do not make mine a conclusion but a simple hypothesis and a proposeable theorem or postulate. You can believe what you will, do not believe me but make sure you know what your doing, both subjective and objective. 93!

Well necromancy in my opinion is not talking to the dead person but their essence their hopes dreams and memories because when something evolves it forgets what it was and leaves it behind

Yes this is true, the person will forget what it was as Memory is part of the "Ruach" I had learned that one of the reasons that people stay behind is because of their strong emotion, their "Hopes and dreams" that were never fulfilled, like a man was about to get married but then his car crash before he got to the chapel and he died. Such strong emotion and unsorted tension is focused into that individual, The individual "Truly wills" to live and so he part of him only manifests as a shade, a savage, a leftover. A force that is purely undirected, they only have fragments of that person. Of course, what I am speaking of is not the only true knowledge and in all ways my perspective of the subject. I respect your opinion about speaking to their essence of "hopes and dreams" although, this does not fit in with my system because their personality is also "Ruach" therefore it is impermanent and temporary, static and changing. Besides, as a hypothesis I had posted beforehand, The dead will have to evolve, as do all things. They will have to move on, and so will everyone else. (Notify me if I got your explanation wrong)

Amen et 93!

you got the idea on the dot. It is just a thought that maybe a part of us remains. Because i have dealt with some spirits but i never ask of death because i see that might offend them but evolution is strange because it is in a sense the same being but it does not know that it was something else a tree would not remember that it is from a line of trees or a fish does not remember being goo but part of that memory is there so the thought is maybe when we are on the astral waiting and deciding what now a copy of our memories is made and stored like a memory card and that is what we communicate with

There being ghosts on this earth, I feel that is solid evidence of life after death, though it may be the only evidence of it. I, on the other hand, believe that Satan and his demons are good and as a radical spiritual Satanist, that I will end up happy with them in the end. That's personally what I believe.

I agree, paleface about satan. i don't think satan is really evil and that we take responsibility for our own actions not from being deceived by the "devil." Good post, User174439. You explored many viewpoints of death. I think the soul is immortal so there is life after death. However, I want to discover my life's purpose before going into the light. Sometimes when I'm in an alternated state of consciousness, I know for a fact that there is life after death. However, not every day can be like that, so on those days of depression, I worry that I've strayed from my life path and am afraid of darkness.

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