Re: Astral Planes vs "Earth" By: WhiteRav3n / Knowledgeable
Post # 3 Dec 06, 2011
The astral plane is the spiritual side of the physical world we know. The ethereal or spiritual plane is the realms of the spirit world. Now I've also heard of people talking about "celestial" planes, "divine" planes and a bunch of other planes too.
Now I was really never taught any of that. When I started traveling, I was taught by my mother and then I followed my guides instructions as to where to go. The "astral" is everything spiritual. The ancient philosophers concluded that the spirit was an aspect of ourselves and that around us, all supported and influenced by the universe (stars and planets). Hence "astral" comes from the greek word for star. The spiritual side of the physical world was referred to as the "physical" and the rest of the realms were the "realms" or "worlds". End of story.
I only discovered that new agers made up modern words to define and seperate these two when I tried having a conversation with someone about comparing our journeying experiences. Well, new age shaman met little ol' me, and we had an obvious barrier in our communication. This made me conclude that if I wanted to discuss magick and journeying with others I had to read neo pagan and new age literature to understand the terms and modern beliefs. I still think its garbage, but it helps me to communicate.
In my opinion, really there is no true separation. Spirit is spirit regardless of where it is. Magic, medicine and magick are all the same thing. People just like to break things down and make it more complicated.
"In my opinion, really there is no true separation. Spirit is spirit regardless of where it is. Magic, medicine and magick are all the same thing. People just like to break things down and make it more complicated."
I can answer to your questions darkighthope. This is my opinion from my experiences, but I hope it will help you. I will answer on your questions.The Astral plane, is like a deferent dimention, or another section of the Universe that includes spirits and other kinds of creatures. Deferent planes, have deferent rules, deferent... everything. What you are doing in our plane is impossible to be done in another Astral plane, and you cannot do things that the other Astral plane is doing. That's what we describing as magic. Of course, there is a way to learn things from another Astral plane, by using Astral Projection, and (I believe) that's what the spirits are doing. Just a tip, nothing else. Well I hope my advise will help you.
Re: Astral Planes vs "Earth" By: AwakeTooLong / Knowledgeable
Post # 6 Dec 12, 2011
1) As WhiteRaven suggested the Astral is all things spiritual. It is the manifestation of thought, will, intent, emotion, etc. Spirits exist within this realm, angels, gods, etc. There are realms of "higher" energy, considered divine or what-have-you, by many, and often these realms possess more... peace. For lack of better word. Lower planes exist that tend to possess a lower energy, again for lack of better phrase, that tend to be more turbulent. It is the space between all realms. It is all realms. The astral is rather a blanket term for all things. This is some of the reason for the mixed communication and lack of understanding.
2) These things are possible in the Astral but not on earth because the astral does not require matter to be altered and changed.
To further clarify, the etheral is sometimes spoken of as well as the astral, and the etheral is often considered those energies closest to "life" energy, or the physical. This is often involved in out of body experiences that feel more tangible, and involve more earthly exploration. The astral is generally considered more fully spiritual.
Re: Astral Planes vs "Earth" By: AwakeTooLong / Knowledgeable
Post # 7 Dec 12, 2011
And dark, she may perhaps be speaking of "medicine" in the terms of shamanistic arts. As in a "medicine man." Or something along those lines. That's just my conjecture though.