Hatred Of Magic

Ok I am new here and I have seen a lot of people be really mean to people who have an open mind. I knew this one guy called enchanter18 and he had an open mind. I have read some of his posts and their good posts but because people fear what they don't understand they ridicule them. I have seen the so called "masters" on this site have a really closed mind. Why can't anything be possible? Why do humans seem to have a burning desire to tear down anything having to with spiritual enlightenment?

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its just one of those things involved with their magical/spiritual paths. it only matters what you believe. just remember "minds are like doors: they work better when open."

It is curious to me that you are new here but know a fellow on here who has deleted his account.

Otherwise, I have not heard anyone on here refer to themselves as a master. If so, well... that's silly. First thing worth learning is that you're never done learning.

That being said, anything is possible. But that doesn't mean that magic can make anything you imagine come true. Just like anything else in the world, or the universe, there are laws that govern how magic works. These are not laws created or invented by men. They are simply observed by those who have experienced enough interaction with magic to begin to understand how it might work. Much like a chemist or physicist might observe and theorize the laws of science. To make something happen, even with magic, these rules that are dictated to us by reality, the universe, etc. must be worked with, because breaking them simply does not work.

Again, it is not a matter of myself or anyone like me simply saying that these "laws" cannot be broken, but the simple fact that no force is actually capable of doing so.

Does this make sense?

Spiritual enlightenment is a wonderful pursuit. In most such traditions where it is the ultimate goal, one of the first things we give up are the fantasies and illusions that we used to surround ourselves with to make life more comfortable. It is not that we cannot dream. It is not that we cannot hope. It is that we must not lie to ourselves simply because the thought of something is more comforting than the truth. This is wisdom. This is enlightenment.

I'm sorry Awake Too Long but I do not agree. To each his own but if we are connected to the universe then we can harness it's energy and control the laws. I realize my views are a little child like thinking anything is possible but I truly believe it is. But again to each his own.

People may believe anything they wish to believe. Just remember that it is a belief; not a truth.

It is not the childlike quality of the belief that I find frustration. It is the "nuh uh, I believe this because I don't want to believe anything else" quality of the debate that is exhausting.

For what reason do you believe this? Provide some substance and perhaps those who attempt to voice reason would not get so irritable.

@azul88 - yes we are connected to the universe and we can harness its energy but that doesn't mean that we can control the laws..

take this as an example, you are an engineering student and you are much connected to it because you are so genius and you really like the course but as you can see, even if you are so genius and very much connected to all of the subjects you can't control what was established.. you can create your own law but if you are going to consider this, you have to derive it from the original one.. (and you have to understand that creating is much differ from controlling what was existed)

same goes in magick..

darkest blessings..

Brysing and AwakeTooLong, i agree with both of you, there's no major harm in people believing what they want [to an extent] but the whole childish refuse to accept they may but incorrect, but stomping their foot and demanding they're right and the one pointing it out is the misguided one really gets annoying.

look, most people [the 'masters' as you called them, yet i have yet to meet someone who knows what they're doing and call them self a master] start out wanting to help, they see someone believing that if they just believe hard enough they can do something [let's say fly] but they cannot do in the physical realm. so they very kindly say 'actually RandomUserName, you cannot do that for magic works to take energy and change it to help us, but it cannot change things that cannot physically happen, understand?'

from here, two things happen, the person gets sad and thinks twice about spells they find [which is what the 'master' intended] or they get something like 'what gives you the right to say i'm wrong? it's magick and magick works however i want it to! you think you're so great, well all i see is a close minded person who knows nothing!'

as time goes on the once kind person grows bitter and annoyed, eventually most start thinking there's no reasoning with fluffies and start cutting them down.

i know this is winded, but i've know many nice people who this has happened to. while the ability to fly, teleport, become a mythical creature would be the bee's knees [sorry, felt like saying that] it's not possible because while magic can do many things, it cannot change physical limitations, it just does not work that way, it's the same as training a cat to bark by giving it treats, [and no surgery involved] it cannot happen while some may argue it can, it's so improvable that the odds of it happening are none. it doesn't hurt anyone to believe it, no, until your words make others believe and before you know it, people are running around saying their cat barks, but only when she feels like it or something.

Ok guys I see what your saying I really do. And for 20 years of my life I believe what you do. I am 23. That science is the only way and I still have a logical point of view. I just have an open mind now. I know that this isn't proof that your looking for but my chi flows really easy. For chi masters they take they entire lives to get that strong but for me I have come a long way in just a year. I can make shapes with it and knock stuff over. Like balls and shields. It protects me from the cold. Plus their is my elemental spells. My elemental spells are 20% stronger than my normal spells. I can call forth the elements (their energies) really easy and feel their power easy. I can sense all energy. And yeah I know that last one sounds weird. But there isn't an energy that I have come across that I can't sense and feel with my mind. I can do all of these things simply because I believe they are possible. Again I am not looking to convert anyone and this is hardly proof but take it or leave it. My beliefs are my own. I was only curious about other peoples view points on the subject.

Sensing energy sounds far less weird than claims of being able to knock over things with balls of chi. All that you describe makes sense, except I'm sure you're applying it to the physical nature of the elements rather than the more esoteric qualities.

Neko, there is everything wrong in allowing delusion to flourish. However, you can only try to tell somebody something so much before it becomes obvious that it is pointless.