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I would recommend (due to your concerns) that you look into the more tribal spiritualism. Native Americans, Indo-European tribes, etc. Surely they aren't among the religions you feel are used as means to control, and all of them used magick and are not at all neo pagan. You do still need to watch out for those claiming to be "shamans" or "druids".

Such tribes were seen as "savage" and outcasted from the "civilized people" which is an irony in itself. But that's another topic altogether.

I would also recommend meditation, becoming more attuned with energy/spirits, and astral projection in that order. Seeking your own answers may be what you will feel most comfortable with, seeing that you have a few trust issues, what is easier to trust than your own personal experiences? =p

Stimulating first post. I have also known all this you have put there for some time now, and I hope you an extrapolate on how you brought down such things, as I find myself powerless to do anything about any of it. I am a "truth-seeker" as well, as you put it, and I've found the works of Aleister Crowley to be quite stimulating and quite true. Try reading "The Book of Thoth" to gain an understanding of the universe, and it's workings. Also, "Initiation to Hermetics" by Franz Bardon might be a good starting point for you to get into magic, as he explained things very realisitic-like, and it will help you understand basic magical principals, and will ready you for magical workings of your own. Trust me, as most stuff of the shelves are bullshit, these are not. =]

Hi,

welcome to the forum community. I myself have researched different organistions and societies extensively. Maybe we could brainstorm together. But, personally magick from a scientist perspective without religion isn't really a good idea. Maybe your looking more parapsychology rather than magick. Though I assure you that real stuff is out there. I recommend Chris Penczak's books are great. But they are more from a spiritual perspective, although believe magick should be practiced by all no matter there religion.

Yeah, Crowley has some interesting work, one book I figured I'd try to get (even if I have to get a pdf offline because it's too expensive in the book stores) is "Magick in Theory and Practice." Crowley though did work for MI6, British Intelligence. And was a very high ranking freemason (Lavey also had connections to the intelligence community, hell I'm pretty sure almost all of them did).... But then again most all the books I read were written by insiders, elites themselves... It's always been an open conspiracy, I could even take you back to what Plato wrote in his days (those ancient Greek philosophers were like the Bushs and Clintons and Obamas of their day)... Thanks for the insight...

Yeah, actually you'd be surprised, many of the Native tribes (not all though) were already infiltrated prior to the white settlers even showing up... Particularly if you look at the Aztecs, who were quite brutal conquerors of other tribes, who worshipped a sun god (like the Egyptians), which is a major part of the elites' mystery religion (you see this too on the Japanese flag). The Incas and mayas are other good examples of this...

Technology has been weaponized against us, however I honestly do not think that we need to get rid of technology.... Reason being is because if we go back to hunting and gathering, we are in the most brutal and tyrannical system of all, nature, which made hierarchy an evolutionary survival mechanism. This hierarchy is what lead to slavery, "civilization." I am an anarchist.... But that would take me a whole nother discussion to get into, there's much more too this.

As controversial as this may be, most all your cointelpro agents are promoting 2 things in common, theosophical belief systems, and matriarchy, in a day and age where men are being totally pushed out and flushed down the toilet... In today's society men are the bigger victims of sexism, you see this in courts, advertisements, hell nearly all walks of life. But ultimately everyone will be a victim to this agenda... They want a matriarchy because (in general, statistically speaking) women are more susceptible to authoritarianism... The folks at the top though actually hate women, theyr men, but they hate women, theyr just using women for an agenda.... So theyr trying to paint the road to ancient wisdom to lead into matriarchy and fooling society (guys included) into believing women are a morally and intellectually superior gender. But the idea of a superior gender is as assinine as the idea of a superior race. Nobody rightly belongs above anybody, we as a species need to evolve past hierarchy......

I will take a look at some of those books you mentioned. Thanks for the advice.

A good short cut to figuring much of this stuff out, is a guy named Alan Watt (not Alan Watts, Alan Watt, with no "s" at the end). Here is his link:

http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/

He is a shill, I exposed him, however, 90% of his information is truth, but there's also a lot he leaves out.... But he used to reference a lot of the books I was talking about, those written by the elites... I could give you a long list of them.

See they need to use controlled opposition, to tear down the old system to bring in the new system (they knew there would be some people who wouldn't buy the official story so they gave them "alternative" leaders to follow), which will be even more tyrannical (not that the current system is any good though-- it lead to all this). But by using controlled opposition, they can allow the people to THINK they are defeating the NWO when in reality they are rolling out the red carpet to bring it in. "Order through Chaos." So they give you names like Alex Jones, David Icke, Michael Tsarion, Credo Mutwa, Peter Joseph, Alan Watt, and tons of others, who are bought-and-paid by the system, to give you some truth in order to sell you lies and/or hidden agendas, to send you further down the rabbit hole.

I have a feeling you'd do well with ceremonial magic. Possibly research the rituals of the golden dawn.

Yeah that seems to be what the elites are practicing, is largely ceremonial.... When you look at the rites they do in initiations with such groups like the Skull and Bones, Golden Dawn, etc.. my theory though is that they have promulgated only the magic which deals with manipulation and exploitation, they only present or make accessible such arcane magic... But it doesn't have to be used to those ends though. Yet much of the "white light" stuff is new age Harry Potter fluff. The entire new age culture is an ego boost, designed to wow followers with sensationalist nonsense which effictively becomes the illusion of knowledge... Westernized culture period is very ego-syntonic.. Not to say there isn't a hint of truth here and there in some of the white light stuff, I personally do not believe or disbelieve anything 100%.

But I do think there is more truth in the lefthand path, more real magic in the left hand. This has to do with the fact that our entire "civilization" is based on manipulation and exploitation, but once again, I don't think these forces necessarily have to be used to those ends.

What I am really more interested in is grey magic. I have heard people say that there are no grey magicians, that you have to choose between "white magic" and "black magic." Or the "right hand path" or "left hand path." But then I had also heard some people mention that a select few people have been able to take that middle road and have became successful grey magicians.

But I am gonna look into some ceremonial magic. Another thing I'm interested in is necromancy.